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Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:29 am**

Dubstep is gonna end? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

*runs away*

There's just a lot of dj's out there now a days...and everyone wants the latest and greatest tunes so that the crowd thinks there the latest and greatest dj.

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:31 am**

i think also people are missing the fact that these days, dance music in general sells fuck all compared to what it used to: there is far less incentive from the producer/DJ's point of view to release their tracks if they don't need to. i know that in breaks, you might make say £250 from releasing a twelve.

so if you've got some sick plates, which do you go for - having a rep as someone who always plays wicked tunes that people can't hear anywhere else, to try and boost your profile as a DJ, or do you take the increasingly small amount of money?

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:33 pm**

if what chef said is right we should see a release of cokis headbanger on wax soon, as i believe thats his biggest banger to date, imo anyway...sure he does too as i believe he gives it plenty of airtime

The Wiggle Baron wrote:Skream - Lemon is a wicked example:

is that not the track where its sort of personalised to skream, mentioning his name in it or somet, if so i dont think it would be a good idea to release it, just keep it 4 himself to play out

i could be wrong here

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:44 pm**

boomnoise wrote:a more interesting question for me these days is whether or not it matters that people don't necessarily get it.

word

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:46 pm**

Vaguely remember when I used to own music.
Wouldn't mind all produce being dubplate so nights aren't hackneyed mixtapes but unique moments in time.

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:00 pm**

*doesn't read thread*

all i know is i really, really want a release of that wonky time sig track by benga that skream was caning last summer

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:35 pm**

Le_Hardcore_Chiefus wrote:is that not the track where its sort of personalised to skream, mentioning his name in it or somet, if so i dont think it would be a good idea to release it, just keep it 4 himself to play out

"The bitches all love me cos im fucking caspa" ring a bell?

All about the blatant self plugging!

Also it might just be some tagging at the beginning or whatever so people cant blag the tunes from radio or whatever...does that indicate a release?

Fuck knows tbh!

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:05 pm**

haha, didnt think of that 1

fuck it release lemon

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:21 pm**

harkaransg wrote:Do people really understand Dubplate Culture. As soon a record gets played for the first time, people are saying is this gonna get released. Isnt it about enjoying the song at the very moment you hear it. Sometimes the best tracks you hear are the ones you dont know the name of and who made it. If a track never comes out, you can still listen back to the show. You still have the memory in your head. Tracks do get released, people just need to be abit paitent.

Dubplates need to grow, need to be loved or disliked. The rest follows.

Many people think that if a song is made then it must be released. Maybe they just dont understand. WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING

bit elitist innit

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:40 pm**

Piston wrote:
harkaransg wrote:Do people really understand Dubplate Culture. As soon a record gets played for the first time, people are saying is this gonna get released. Isnt it about enjoying the song at the very moment you hear it. Sometimes the best tracks you hear are the ones you dont know the name of and who made it. If a track never comes out, you can still listen back to the show. You still have the memory in your head. Tracks do get released, people just need to be abit paitent.

Dubplates need to grow, need to be loved or disliked. The rest follows.

Many people think that if a song is made then it must be released. Maybe they just dont understand. WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING
bit elitist innit

Why?

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:09 pm**

Slothrop wrote:
Piston wrote:
harkaransg wrote:Do people really understand Dubplate Culture. As soon a record gets played for the first time, people are saying is this gonna get released. Isnt it about enjoying the song at the very moment you hear it. Sometimes the best tracks you hear are the ones you dont know the name of and who made it. If a track never comes out, you can still listen back to the show. You still have the memory in your head. Tracks do get released, people just need to be abit paitent.

Dubplates need to grow, need to be loved or disliked. The rest follows.

Many people think that if a song is made then it must be released. Maybe they just dont understand. WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING
bit elitist innit
Why?

who are these people exactly?

dubplate culture of course ends up with there being an elite of people with access and the plebs that don't...

sorry but im not a fan...

if a dubplate isnt gonna come out then it means a lot of people will never have access to it unmixed...i dont want it in a mix

dance music is its own worst enemy sometimes

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:53 pm**

Piston wrote:
Slothrop wrote:
Piston wrote: bit elitist innit
Why?
who are these people exactly?

dubplate culture of course ends up with there being an elite of people with access and the plebs that don't...

sorry but im not a fan...

if a dubplate isnt gonna come out then it means a lot of people will never have access to it unmixed...i dont want it in a mix

But it's not like the dubstep elite are sitting round in their big dubstep jacuzzi listening to dubs and laughing at all the plebs who'll never get to hear them. They play the dubs out, you hear the dubs, you have a good time. You don't get to own every last tune. I don't see the tragedy.

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:01 am**

Slothrop wrote:
Piston wrote:
Slothrop wrote:
Piston wrote: bit elitist innit
Why?
who are these people exactly?

dubplate culture of course ends up with there being an elite of people with access and the plebs that don't...

sorry but im not a fan...

if a dubplate isnt gonna come out then it means a lot of people will never have access to it unmixed...i dont want it in a mix
But it's not like the dubstep elite are sitting round in their big dubstep jacuzzi listening to dubs and laughing at all the plebs who'll never get to hear them. They play the dubs out, you hear the dubs, you have a good time. You don't get to own every last tune. I don't see the tragedy.

there's no tragedy, unless you make one up in your own mind. the other issue here is we live in this "instant" music culture these days. everyone wants to clap their hands and have tunes on their ipods, tonight. not tomorrow, not next month.

there's books being written about it. it's been coined the "napster effect". everything now now now. if i can't have it now, i'll get it anyway i can. etcetc...

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:49 am**

Slothrop wrote:
Piston wrote:
Slothrop wrote:
Piston wrote: bit elitist innit
Why?
who are these people exactly?

dubplate culture of course ends up with there being an elite of people with access and the plebs that don't...

sorry but im not a fan...

if a dubplate isnt gonna come out then it means a lot of people will never have access to it unmixed...i dont want it in a mix
But it's not like the dubstep elite are sitting round in their big dubstep jacuzzi listening to dubs and laughing at all the plebs who'll never get to hear them. They play the dubs out, you hear the dubs, you have a good time. You don't get to own every last tune. I don't see the tragedy.

its not a tragedy its just mildly annoying...

theres so many tunes as well that ive not even heard but heard about

like kode9s remix of ghost town..the very thought gets me all excited but i have no means of getting hold ya know?

i understand the importance of dubplate culture of course but i was more responding to the overall tone of this thread which comes across a bit like 'NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND HOUSE MUSIC'

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:52 am**

seckle wrote:
Slothrop wrote:
Piston wrote:
Slothrop wrote:
Piston wrote: bit elitist innit
Why?
who are these people exactly?

dubplate culture of course ends up with there being an elite of people with access and the plebs that don't...

sorry but im not a fan...

if a dubplate isnt gonna come out then it means a lot of people will never have access to it unmixed...i dont want it in a mix
But it's not like the dubstep elite are sitting round in their big dubstep jacuzzi listening to dubs and laughing at all the plebs who'll never get to hear them. They play the dubs out, you hear the dubs, you have a good time. You don't get to own every last tune. I don't see the tragedy.
there's no tragedy, unless you make one up in your own mind. the other issue here is we live in this "instant" music culture these days. everyone wants to clap their hands and have tunes on their ipods, tonight. not tomorrow, not next month.

there's books being written about it. it's been coined the "napster effect". everything now now now. if i can't have it now, i'll get it anyway i can. etcetc...

i agree entirely but i don't see why they cant at least have it up for digital download or summit...its not the same as releasing the wax to the idiots

i just wanna hear it innit

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:08 am**

the fact is:

if you spend money buying the gear, time making the beat, and more money pressing it...you can do whatever you want with it.

who's going to tell someone what they can and can't do with their own music?
fair enough, tell them the tune is sick and you'd love to own it on vinyl, but remember they made the fucker.

again, if a producer wants to give his tunes to a few select djs, thats his choice. isn't fuck all you can do about it except make a tune you think is better and press it yourself.

to call these producers and djs elitist might be correct, it might not be...but i think its irrelevant - its their music.

still, even if people are getting angry about this, at least it means they love the music - can't be a bad thing surely?

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:16 am**

If the top DJ's don't have exclusive tunes then what reason do I have to go see them over DJ Plodspinna, the local DJ who can probably mix just as well? None with enough gravitas to make me travel very far. The fact you know you can only hear certain tunes from certain DJ's lends new tunes a mystique that is built up from chinese whispers, reports from nights out:"oh what was that new tune DJ X played, had that mad 80's sound- it was fucking deep!" and so the process starts. It can be weeks or months before you hear the tune and all the waiting and anticipation can give the listening experience an edge, a satisfaction.

I don't have the right to own anybody elses creations, but I know where I can go to hear them and there is a certain privilege in that, besides the process from dub to full release is one that is effected by many variables far out of the artists control. Dubs serve as a
ground for producers to test their tunes, to see which are most popular and worthy of a release.

Two years ago you could have gone into blackmarket and found 10 maybe 12 releases in the racks! In a scene where resources and to an extent crowds, were limited, dubs were the major and easiest way for producers to share their ideas. Without dubplate culture dubstep would be nothing.

Also of course dubplate culture is elitist-THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT.

If that's all a bit incoherent- I apologise

.

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:52 am**

^^^^

well said mate! I agree.... Dubstep wouldnt be the same. Thats partly what got me into dubstep. Its the commercial radio stuff, why would u step into a club or listen week after week if ur going to hear the same tunes u can buy up.

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:07 am**

Jubscarz wrote:Without dubplate culture dubstep would be nothing.

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:22 am**

Knights of the square table meeting tonight @ 8, usual place, don't be late. We gotta decide what big tunes this year we're gonna be elitist with and hold back just to tease the mere mortals!!!

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