Burial is a genius.

[epithet]

Im of the opinion that everyone saying burial isnt the greatest thing ever will slowly be converted to the cause listen to the syncopated swing in his beats,

I just don't think his sound will stand the test of time. Maybe it catches the zeitgeist of depressing urban london in the mid noughties but i don't think people will neccessarily want to be reminded of that no matter whether things get better or worse.

Lets also not confuse syncopation with horribly out of time. I do love the atmos though. Kinda foggy and overcast with the definite possibilty of rain.

Best thing i like about his sound is the use of crackle and hiss to mask crap samples. For all that i still believe they are must have albums in the evolution of dubstep and the de-evolution of 2step.

[seckle]

out to burial keeping his head down. as someone said earlier, he's not for everyone, but you don't see him on this forum chatting about his next release or pumping his next tune, now do you?

let the music do the talking. i really think that burial tapped into something that's going to take a few years for everyone to figure out.

a good friend of mine said recently in an email, after buying untrue on my recommendation, "it's like being 17 again... you with your headphones and hoody on, and you think that you can do anything! it's one of those albums that you want to protect from the world because it's gotten under your skin."

[epithet]

i really think that burial tapped into something that's going to take a few years for everyone to figure out.

Its been a year or two.Care to take a shot at it for the great unwashed then ?

[DFRNT]

Im of the opinion that everyone saying burial isnt the greatest thing ever will slowly be converted to the cause

I didnt care too much for burial when I first heard it either. In fact, I still wasnt fully convinced by the first album by the time untrue came out. I got that on CD, and after a few listens it had me completely hooked. So I went back and re-listened to the first album again, and hey presto I cant get enough of it either!

But again, I guess it could just be not what youre looking for! Of course hes not gonna be for everyone, nothing is. But I personally havent felt music as much since dark side of the moon...

Edit: And @ alex, I think burial is SO much closer to what could be defined (sorry to use that word) as dubstep than alot of music named so! Consider the fact that dubstep came out of uk garage, centralized to an urban setting such as London. Then listen to the syncopated swing in his beats, the atmosphere of the pieces (someone even said that it specifically makes them think of a city!) and to a lesser extent the bpm, and to be honest id almost go as far as to say that burial is a flagship example of dubstep!

You have a very valid point, although most genres are described by the music they contain, and because Burial doesn't sound much like alot of the other 'dubstep' artists in the genre, he is deemed not to be part of it, whether or not he should techcnically, or theoretically be a flagship example.

Who 'deems' that burial is not 'dubstep'? Your last sentence doesn't seem to make any sense to me.

Nobody really (it was a badly written sentence, brace yourself for another!), but I was trying to make the point that often genres can be determined by their content, and something either pushing boundaries, or seen as not the same as the norm, can often be counted as exclusive from the genre, rather than included where some might feel it should be.

I could essentially be going round in circles here, but I was thinking somewhere I had a point!! haha.

[DFRNT]

out to burial keeping his head down. as someone said earlier, he's not for everyone, but you don't see him on this forum chatting about his next release or pumping his next tune, now do you?

let the music do the talking. i really think that burial tapped into something that's going to take a few years for everyone to figure out.

a good friend of mine said recently in an email, after buying untrue on my recommendation, "it's like being 17 again... you with your headphones and hoody on, and you think that you can do anything! it's one of those albums that you want to protect from the world because it's gotten under your skin."

Let the music do the talking if you have the connections, but if you cant get people to listen, you have to promote somewhere.

Maybe sending material straight to the big guns is the way to go. Am I right in thinking it was Kode 9 who he gave his stuff to?

If you don't have any connection to the bigger names, or people who can help - then you could be the best producer in the world, but you won't get anywhere fast.

Also I think it's interesting to see artists get big from their 2nd album, I think it's an interesting concept that these guys have been toiling away for years until they hit it semi-big. Gives those who are working towards their first album a bit of hope when it doesn't all work out right the first time.

[dubluke]

i think seckle makes a good point, rather than relentlessly plug and shove it in people's face he took more of a "if you build it, they will come" attitutude, he built quality tunes and naturally people came, fair play to him for not wanting the exposure and attention that so many people crave today, i actually respect that a lot

[monksta]

rush hour standing at stratford station on platform ten headphones in, hundreds of pple about but only 2 matter me and burial!

[whineo]

3rd album can't come soon enough - and I don't care if it sounds the same as the 1st two

[optimum]

Im of the opinion that everyone saying burial isnt the greatest thing ever will slowly be converted to the cause

I didnt care too much for burial when I first heard it either. In fact, I still wasnt fully convinced by the first album by the time untrue came out. I got that on CD, and after a few listens it had me completely hooked. So I went back and re-listened to the first album again, and hey presto I cant get enough of it either!

But again, I guess it could just be not what youre looking for! Of course hes not gonna be for everyone, nothing is. But I personally havent felt music as much since dark side of the moon...

Edit: And @ alex, I think burial is SO much closer to what could be defined (sorry to use that word) as dubstep than alot of music named so! Consider the fact that dubstep came out of uk garage, centralized to an urban setting such as London. Then listen to the syncopated swing in his beats, the atmosphere of the pieces (someone even said that it specifically makes them think of a city!) and to a lesser extent the bpm, and to be honest id almost go as far as to say that burial is a flagship example of dubstep!

You have a very valid point, although most genres are described by the music they contain, and because Burial doesn't sound much like alot of the other 'dubstep' artists in the genre, he is deemed not to be part of it, whether or not he should techcnically, or theoretically be a flagship example.

Who 'deems' that burial is not 'dubstep'? Your last sentence doesn't seem to make any sense to me.

Nobody really (it was a badly written sentence, brace yourself for another!), but I was trying to make the point that often genres can be determined by their content, and something either pushing boundaries, or seen as not the same as the norm, can often be counted as exclusive from the genre, rather than included where some might feel it should be.

I could essentially be going round in circles here, but I was thinking somewhere I had a point!! haha.

Yeah I agree, very badly written sentence. I still don't see your central point? If genres are not determined by their 'content', what are they determined by??? I don't see why you (or anyone else) are seeking to restrict what counts as 'dubstep'. It's simply 140bpm(ish) with sub, no?

Also, what do you mean by connections? Burial simply sent music to kode9, he liked it and released it. Simple as that really.

[epithet]

i think seckle makes a good point, rather than relentlessly plug and shove it in people's face he took more of a "if you build it, they will come" attitutude, he built quality tunes and naturally people came, fair play to him for not wanting the exposure and attention that so many people crave today, i actually respect that a lot

It was more the cunning marketing ploy kode9 came up with, an extension of his CCRU musings perhaps that pushed it into the mainstream. Everyone loves the anonymous antihero especialy the journos scrambling to find the next big thing that isn't like the last big and not soooo last millenium either.

When the dust settles i think it'll be a case of, fall for it once is an accident, twice and you're the fool or you can fool some poeple sometime, can't fool all the people all the time.

Yeah sure let the music do the talking but it's not saying anything i neccessarily want to hear.

[dubluke]

i think seckle makes a good point, rather than relentlessly plug and shove it in people's face he took more of a "if you build it, they will come" attitutude, he built quality tunes and naturally people came, fair play to him for not wanting the exposure and attention that so many people crave today, i actually respect that a lot

It was more the cunning marketing ploy kode9 came up with, an extension of his CCRU musings perhaps that pushed it into the mainstream. Everyone loves the anonymous antihero especialy the journos scrambling to find the next big thing that isn't like the last big and not soooo last millenium either.

When the dust settles i think it'll be a case of, fall for it once is an accident, twice and you're the fool or you can fool some poeple sometime, can't fool all the people all the time.

Yeah sure let the music do the talking but it's not saying anything i neccessarily want to hear.

what are you implying?? that the album only sold because kode had a clever marketing ploy? cos i find that kind of hard to believe, just cos its not what you want to be hearing, doesn't mean that there aren't a whole load of people out there enjoying his tunes, you can have the cleverest marketing ploy ever created if you want, but ultimately if the tunes aren't good, people don't like, therefore will not buy it

[__________]

did i trigger another burial debate? sorry

i have respect for him for having his own sound, that is difficult these days...but at the same time i think he is a one trick pony, he has his sound but thats the only sound he uses (or that kode 9 releases.)

burial sounds like EMOSTEP to me!

[ory]

he has his sound but thats the only sound he uses

Uhh... right... you don't pay very close attention do you? There's plenty of variation in his music. Yes, it's all based on a theme, but that's kind of the whole bloody point, isn't it.

[DFRNT]

Im of the opinion that everyone saying burial isnt the greatest thing ever will slowly be converted to the cause

I didnt care too much for burial when I first heard it either. In fact, I still wasnt fully convinced by the first album by the time untrue came out. I got that on CD, and after a few listens it had me completely hooked. So I went back and re-listened to the first album again, and hey presto I cant get enough of it either!

But again, I guess it could just be not what youre looking for! Of course hes not gonna be for everyone, nothing is. But I personally havent felt music as much since dark side of the moon...

Edit: And @ alex, I think burial is SO much closer to what could be defined (sorry to use that word) as dubstep than alot of music named so! Consider the fact that dubstep came out of uk garage, centralized to an urban setting such as London. Then listen to the syncopated swing in his beats, the atmosphere of the pieces (someone even said that it specifically makes them think of a city!) and to a lesser extent the bpm, and to be honest id almost go as far as to say that burial is a flagship example of dubstep!

You have a very valid point, although most genres are described by the music they contain, and because Burial doesn't sound much like alot of the other 'dubstep' artists in the genre, he is deemed not to be part of it, whether or not he should techcnically, or theoretically be a flagship example.

Who 'deems' that burial is not 'dubstep'? Your last sentence doesn't seem to make any sense to me.

Nobody really (it was a badly written sentence, brace yourself for another!), but I was trying to make the point that often genres can be determined by their content, and something either pushing boundaries, or seen as not the same as the norm, can often be counted as exclusive from the genre, rather than included where some might feel it should be.

I could essentially be going round in circles here, but I was thinking somewhere I had a point!! haha.

Yeah I agree, very badly written sentence. I still don't see your central point? If genres are not determined by their 'content', what are they determined by??? I don't see why you (or anyone else) are seeking to restrict what counts as 'dubstep'. It's simply 140bpm(ish) with sub, no?

Also, what do you mean by connections? Burial simply sent music to kode9, he liked it and released it. Simple as that really.

Genre's are indeed determined by their content, but I'd say they were determined by 90% of their content. The other 10% may be considered within the genre by some, but not by others.

I'm not on any sort of mission to 'restrict' what people see as 'dubstep' or any other genre for that matter. I'm all for people pushing boundaries, if in fact boundaries even exist.

All I was trying to say was that I don't really see Burial as what I or most people might term 'dubstep' whether or not he fits the description that wikipedia or whoever else gives us.

[gravious]

Burial = Geneeus?

OMG!

[epithet]

^^haha if anyone says that again i'm gonna dump my valve on em.

what are you implying?? that the album only sold because kode had a clever marketing ploy? cos i find that kind of hard to believe, just cos its not what you want to be hearing, doesn't mean that there aren't a whole load of people out there enjoying his tunes, you can have the cleverest marketing ploy ever created if you want, but ultimately if the tunes aren't good, people don't like, therefore will not buy it

I'm saying without the marketing ploy and the attraction it had for the journos it never would have got the mainstream press it did leading to the hipsters and fashionistas with the disposable income buying the shit regardless of whether it was good or not. Worlds full of shit albums going ballistic based on marketing. Good tunes have relatively fuck all to do with it. Radiohead anyone, coldplay?

And don't fret 10bag. We all do our part cos its all part of the dreaming, living the myth, making that which isn't real believable for mass consumption. long live the hype and spin. deadstep 4eva

[dubluke]

^^haha if anyone says that again i'm gonna dump my valve on em.

what are you implying?? that the album only sold because kode had a clever marketing ploy? cos i find that kind of hard to believe, just cos its not what you want to be hearing, doesn't mean that there aren't a whole load of people out there enjoying his tunes, you can have the cleverest marketing ploy ever created if you want, but ultimately if the tunes aren't good, people don't like, therefore will not buy it

I'm saying without the marketing ploy and the attraction it had for the journos it never would have got the mainstream press it did leading to the hipsters and fashionistas with the disposable income buying the shit regardless of whether it was good or not. Worlds full of shit albums going ballistic based on marketing. Good tunes have relatively fuck all to do with it. Radiohead anyone, coldplay?

And don't fret 10bag. We all do our part cos its all part of the dreaming, living the myth, making that which isn't real believable for mass consumption. long live the hype and spin. deadstep 4eva

yeah but it wasn't really built for journo's was it? it was built for the sake of building tunes, and look how many actual heads bought it before there was any kind of hype about it in mainstream media, if the people who actually enjoy and know about the tune by it in large numbers than surely there is some appeal of the album outside of being 'edgy and urban' or whatever time out is calling it this week, i do think you're slaying it rather hard though, fair enough you might not like it, but you can't realistically say the ONLY reason he's popular is because kode 9 sold him well can you?

pretty harsh really

[seckle]

^^haha if anyone says that again i'm gonna dump my valve on em.

what are you implying?? that the album only sold because kode had a clever marketing ploy? cos i find that kind of hard to believe, just cos its not what you want to be hearing, doesn't mean that there aren't a whole load of people out there enjoying his tunes, you can have the cleverest marketing ploy ever created if you want, but ultimately if the tunes aren't good, people don't like, therefore will not buy it

I'm saying without the marketing ploy and the attraction it had for the journos it never would have got the mainstream press it did leading to the hipsters and fashionistas with the disposable income buying the shit regardless of whether it was good or not. Worlds full of shit albums going ballistic based on marketing. Good tunes have relatively fuck all to do with it. Radiohead anyone, coldplay?

And don't fret 10bag. We all do our part cos its all part of the dreaming, living the myth, making that which isn't real believable for mass consumption. long live the hype and spin. deadstep 4eva

in summary...
getting your music out to world = bad
signing to a label that actually has interesting ideas = worst idea ever
letting your music speak for itself = must be really clever marketing involved
a large amount of people enjoying a producer's music = so bad right now.
correlating "consumption" and "marketing" as a counter argument for everything = best idea ever.

[__________]

he has his sound but thats the only sound he uses

Uhh... right... you don't pay very close attention do you? There's plenty of variation in his music. Yes, it's all based on a theme, but that's kind of the whole bloody point, isn't it.

nah i don't pay close attention to him at all, good guess.

that 'theme' all his music is based on is depressing though...i don't listen to music to make me depressed, i listen to music to cheer me up!

its like '' booo hooo hooo isn't life terrible...but hey! this music is great! booo hoo hooo''

just not my thing, fair enough other people like burial, i'm just trying to explain that not everyone thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread

[ory]

i don't listen to music to make me depressed, i listen to music to cheer me up!

If it's really that black and white for you, then I think you have bigger emotional problems than us Burial-loving emos...