Drum patterns in dubstep. Still not clear to me...

[deadly_habit]

imo the snare falling on the third beat is what defines dubstep and separates it from the most similar styles to it, ie forms of garage, breakcore etc.
dubstep is of course evolving, and i dont want to get into an argument about pigeonholing, but it'd probably be hard for your tune to be accepted as dubstep if the snares were on 2 and 4 for the whole tune.

This is totally totally totally at odds with the the music I listen to. Some people prefer half step and some people prefer other beats, but to say that dubstep has to be halfstep and if it's not got a snare on the third it's not dubstep is just plain wrong. I mean, there are so, so many classic tunes by Kode 9, Mala, D1, Burial, Horsepower, El-B, Skream and so on that don't fit the halfstep template, not to mention newer stuff by TRG, 2562, Geiom, Dusk & Blackdown, Martyn...

As I say, if you prefer halfstep then that's cool, but if you think it defines dubstep then either you don't know much about the scene or it's history or you're using dubstep to mean something other than what it is.

to be honest i really dont know much about the scene. out of the music i listen to and make, dubstep is pretty much a side-interest. im here to learn

To be fair i don't follow the scene at all apart from the few up and comers on here. I jus make half time music around that bpm that i suppose classes as that. The only reason i really discovered this sound was because of Vex'd. Liked what they were doing and the rest is history. But as a scene i don't really like it. It's actually really hard tp find a good dubstep tune that i go oh my god, wow to! Im probably gonna piss a few people of saying this but the scenes got so much shit init. Go in the dubs section and i listen to some of the tracks and dont get why some of these people get as much hype as they do. Suppose i'll never know. At least i speak my mind i suppose

heh i went from burial to vexd then fucked with breakbeats like i was doing my typical dnb to halfstep
still fuck with breakbeats just less frequently
hell my virb page has an experimental dubstep tune i was working on pre last hd failure

[legend4ry]

Just do what feels and sounds right. I have done tunes with snares in the most weirdest places, tunes even without snares!

Do what YOU think is good, I don't even know if you can call half of my tunes "Dubstep" but surely thats the beauty of it? It not sticking to the some-what generic shit what people push out day in, day out.. Don't get me wrong I love some of that stuff but I personally think my tunes are Dubstep cause its heavy influenced by it and you can't really tag it into anything else.

[darkmatteruk]

plenty of advice here to get you sorted, just listen to plenty of dubstep, when i first started i paired mine up to big name releases in traktor to make sure i was on the right track, i think that helps alot if you are unsure

[dirtycash]

Artwork>
''Benny Ill used to come in the shop. Back in the early garage days he was trying to make garage but he was putting the snare on the wrong beat, on the three beat. It made it more like … he loves dub reggae.. he was making dub reggae garage. We were like ‘this is weird’ but Hatcha loved it but Hatcha called it dubstep. It was Benny Ill that started it, without a doubt. He used to bring the tracks into us. We were so used to the garage sound and he’d come in with this record with the beats on the wrong beat and Hatcha used to play them on then radio. It was very dubby and it wasn’t 2 step''

[slothrop]

Just do what feels and sounds right. I have done tunes with snares in the most weirdest places, tunes even without snares!

Do what YOU think is good, I don't even know if you can call half of my tunes "Dubstep" but surely thats the beauty of it? It not sticking to the some-what generic shit what people push out day in, day out.. Don't get me wrong I love some of that stuff but I personally think my tunes are Dubstep cause its heavy influenced by it and you can't really tag it into anything else.

Lots of the best dubstep, imo, is the stuff that totally flips the script but is still distinctly dubstep and still fits into a dubstep set or works at a dubstep club. Writing mixable tunes doesn't have to mean writing tunes that basically sound exactly like a whole load of other tunes but with a slightly different hihat placement and the wobble a semitone higher.

[powerpill]

imo the snare falling on the third beat is what defines dubstep and separates it from the most similar styles to it, ie forms of garage, breakcore etc.
dubstep is of course evolving, and i dont want to get into an argument about pigeonholing, but it'd probably be hard for your tune to be accepted as dubstep if the snares were on 2 and 4 for the whole tune.

This is totally totally totally at odds with the the music I listen to. Some people prefer half step and some people prefer other beats, but to say that dubstep has to be halfstep and if it's not got a snare on the third it's not dubstep is just plain wrong. I mean, there are so, so many classic tunes by Kode 9, Mala, D1, Burial, Horsepower, El-B, Skream and so on that don't fit the halfstep template, not to mention newer stuff by TRG, 2562, Geiom, Dusk & Blackdown, Martyn...

As I say, if you prefer halfstep then that's cool, but if you think it defines dubstep then either you don't know much about the scene or it's history or you're using dubstep to mean something other than what it is.

to be honest i really dont know much about the scene. out of the music i listen to and make, dubstep is pretty much a side-interest. im here to learn

To be fair i don't follow the scene at all apart from the few up and comers on here. I jus make half time music around that bpm that i suppose classes as that. The only reason i really discovered this sound was because of Vex'd. Liked what they were doing and the rest is history. But as a scene i don't really like it. It's actually really hard tp find a good dubstep tune that i go oh my god, wow to! Im probably gonna piss a few people of saying this but the scenes got so much shit init. Go in the dubs section and i listen to some of the tracks and dont get why some of these people get as much hype as they do. Suppose i'll never know. At least i speak my mind i suppose

get down to DMZ or FWD>>

[POND LIFE]

Artwork>
''Benny Ill used to come in the shop. Back in the early garage days he was trying to make garage but he was putting the snare on the wrong beat, on the three beat. It made it more like … he loves dub reggae.. he was making dub reggae garage. We were like ‘this is weird’ but Hatcha loved it but Hatcha called it dubstep. It was Benny Ill that started it, without a doubt. He used to bring the tracks into us. We were so used to the garage sound and he’d come in with this record with the beats on the wrong beat and Hatcha used to play them on then radio. It was very dubby and it wasn’t 2 step''

that's exactly what i was thinking of when i said i thought the 3rd snare is what defined dubstep.

[elgato]

but if you listen to Horsepower, the snare is never on the three, or at least never just the three (excepting his Kuma remix)

for me, the snare on the three definitely does not define dubstep. to me its almost like saying that the classic umm-ka, umm-ka of dnb defines jungle

[blip]

does it make that much difference from a mixing point of view where the snare falls once the tune drops? Surely the thing that makes a tune easier or harder to mix is whether or not it gives you a fairly sensible pulse to work with during the intro?

Mixing a track with snares on the 1.88 with another with snares on the 2.11 that's hard. Makes you think it's wrong even when it's matching perfectly. That could be either a disaster or part of the appeal, depending on your tastes.

[breakbait]

does it make that much difference from a mixing point of view where the snare falls once the tune drops? Surely the thing that makes a tune easier or harder to mix is whether or not it gives you a fairly sensible pulse to work with during the intro?

Mixing a track with snares on the 1.88 with another with snares on the 2.11 that's hard. Makes you think it's wrong even when it's matching perfectly. That could be either a disaster or part of the appeal, depending on your tastes.

I don't think many people are putting snares on on 1.88 or 2.11

[blip]

does it make that much difference from a mixing point of view where the snare falls once the tune drops? Surely the thing that makes a tune easier or harder to mix is whether or not it gives you a fairly sensible pulse to work with during the intro?

Mixing a track with snares on the 1.88 with another with snares on the 2.11 that's hard. Makes you think it's wrong even when it's matching perfectly. That could be either a disaster or part of the appeal, depending on your tastes.

I don't think many people are putting snares on on 1.88 or 2.11

That's why I like them

[serox]

does it make that much difference from a mixing point of view where the snare falls once the tune drops? Surely the thing that makes a tune easier or harder to mix is whether or not it gives you a fairly sensible pulse to work with during the intro?

Mixing a track with snares on the 1.88 with another with snares on the 2.11 that's hard. Makes you think it's wrong even when it's matching perfectly. That could be either a disaster or part of the appeal, depending on your tastes.

I don't think many people are putting snares on on 1.88 or 2.11

no they prob are not. but even having a snare on 2 on one record and then 3 on another can sound funny if there is delay added. When it comes to a break and there are a few more snares being used it can sound a bit confusin imo.

[pubstep cunt]

Hmmm first 2-step, then half step. Has anyone made some no-step yet?

[slim]

Hmmm first 2-step, then half step. Has anyone made some no-step yet?

Kode9 - Sine

[freestyle]

just don't use the drums you normaly use.