their pathetic excuse of biased ignorant journalism is embarassing. they shud give up being a newspaper n try be a cheap mens magazine.
raise ur hand if u wanna petition to blow up the Sun's HQ
Another Awful Sun Article - The Second This Week!!!!
True, and I'm mostly off my high horse about these issues ATMboomnoise wrote:well possibly true but you could present a very reasonable argument to say that demographics have to exist before you produce something for them that will be as successful as the sun has been.EFA wrote:A demographic they are semi responsible for, see edited prev post...boomnoise wrote:Sun writers aren't stupid. They're just writing for their demographic.
but that's another arguement
plus the daily mail isn't owned by news corp. it is independently evil of them.
News Group Newspapers Ltd.
* the tabloid The Sun (published in Ireland as The Irish Sun)
* the tabloid News of the World
.Fuck all of those ****'s, cant believe people are defending them, sorry I'm jumping off me soapbox b4 I get mad and stab someone up with Wiley on me Ipod!he Daily Mail is a British newspaper, currently published in a tabloid format. First published in 1896 by Lord Northcliffe, it is Britain's second biggest-selling daily newspaper after The Sun. Its sister paper
Long and short of it is I used to listen to Onyx when I was 13, never robbed anybody, never raped anybody, never lost erm, one house - went about my day. I play Skreamix of Splurt on the regular and have never put the metal in. For sure some of it goes too far but that article is verging on racism!
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Doyun Adebayo seems like a very inexperienced radio DJ, who comes up with stereotypes like how the majority of Grime music is about black men with a fetish to kill people of their same race. Thats bollocks, because hip-hop as well as UK grime appeal to the caucasian crowd as much as it does to black people.
People don't understand that this kind of music, even though it is strongly connected to gun crime on occasions, can keep teenagers off the streets and doing something more practical with their lives. As an MC myself, I'm normally victim to some stupid stuff said by people that were born and breast-fed on Indie and Rock and Roll.
Adebayo says: 'Since then the easiest way to succeed in rap has been to talk about guns and killings.' That is the most outrageous thing I've ever read in any article in any newspaper. People are commenting on the messageboards saying that 'if they was the Prime Minister they would have banned the genre'. That also is very stupid, as banning a genre of music is impossible and dumb, on that note, and I don't think anybody would go to prison for supplying the world with Grime music.
The Sun always have to push an article to the next level, don't they? Well done again, the tabloid of the Devil.
People don't understand that this kind of music, even though it is strongly connected to gun crime on occasions, can keep teenagers off the streets and doing something more practical with their lives. As an MC myself, I'm normally victim to some stupid stuff said by people that were born and breast-fed on Indie and Rock and Roll.
Adebayo says: 'Since then the easiest way to succeed in rap has been to talk about guns and killings.' That is the most outrageous thing I've ever read in any article in any newspaper. People are commenting on the messageboards saying that 'if they was the Prime Minister they would have banned the genre'. That also is very stupid, as banning a genre of music is impossible and dumb, on that note, and I don't think anybody would go to prison for supplying the world with Grime music.
The Sun always have to push an article to the next level, don't they? Well done again, the tabloid of the Devil.
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Blimey EFA - you dont work for the sun do you, thats very selective quoting!EFA wrote:The Daily Mail is a British newspaper, currently published in a tabloid format. First published in 1896 by Lord Northcliffe, it is Britain's second biggest-selling daily newspaper after The Sun. Its sister paper
http://www.thisisworldnews.com/UK-News/
News Corp in the UK owns The Sun, News of the World, The Times, The Sunday Times and thelondonpaper.The Daily Mail is a British newspaper, currently published in a tabloid format. First published in 1896 by Lord Northcliffe, it is Britain's second biggest-selling daily newspaper after The Sun. Its sister paper, The Mail on Sunday was launched in 1982. An Irish version of the paper was launched on 6 February 2006. The Daily Mail was Britain's first daily newspaper aimed at what is now considered the middle-market and the first to sell 1 million copies a day.
I'm not defending The Mail though, thats owned and run by a seperate group of c**ts, who are equally insideous.
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Rab C Nesbitt: But I mean, for goodness sake, it's quality that counts, not quantity.
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all these tabloids need to just fuck off tbh..
what use do they have? they dnt give proper news, they instigate silly things in the media, and hype up z-list celebs who offer nothing to society, in effect promoting this "i wanna be famous" culture.
even if they were cheap mens mags i think they would be pointless.
they actually tarnish the word journalism, if i wrote a broad sheet id actually be tryin to blow up the sun.
what use do they have? they dnt give proper news, they instigate silly things in the media, and hype up z-list celebs who offer nothing to society, in effect promoting this "i wanna be famous" culture.
even if they were cheap mens mags i think they would be pointless.
they actually tarnish the word journalism, if i wrote a broad sheet id actually be tryin to blow up the sun.
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I sent this after I read it:
(allow the few mistakes in it)
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For the attention of: Dotun Adebayo
I read your article today and afterwards I was filled with rage. Now, this wasn't a rage in which anyone would end up "shanked" as your piece suggests, but a rage at how someone could write such patently absurd nonsense, and also go on to dismiss a scene of which he knows absolutely nothing about.
The 'life imitates art' theory has been the modus operandi of mediocre, sensationalist journalism for time immemorial, and you seem to be proud to carry on this ridiculous and absurd tradition with absolutely no shame whatsoever. One really does have to ask the question:
"Did Mr Adebayo get into journalism in order to report fact, or to pander to a populist, aggressively xenophobic, problem-creating media vehicle's agenda?"
Well, the latter looks more plausible given this performance in today's edition of The Sun.
The problem with your article was not that it was in a red-top tabloid, nor was it that you were critical of the "state" of today's music scene, but much more to do with the fact that you have attempted to defame a scene which has been at the forefront of UK underground music since its inception (during the decline of UK Garage). Now, if I were a Doctor, you would expect me to be qualified to talk about medicine, would you not? However, if I was merely a journalist with no connection to, or understanding of, my subject matter, would you not consider my writing to be absolutely without merit and actually damaging to my journalistic credentials? Yes? Me too!
To imply that Grime music is responsible for violence is moron fodder. Yes, there are elements for whom grime is negative reinforcement. Does it affect their real-life actions? I sincerely doubt it. Young people have a myriad of bad examples in all of today's walks of life to draw their rage from. I do happen to remember when The Rolling Stones played at Altamont in the 60's, their hell's angels pals stabbed a fan to death. There were plenty of Dotun Adebayos back then who tried to write off the music in the tabloid press because of the perceived excesses and dangers of Rock n' Roll. In the 70's it was punk. The 80's? Heavy metal. The 90's? Rave culture. The 00's? Emo. Now, we fast forward to the present and here we are, another hack journalist with no knowledge of his subject matter, who has gone to one gig with the preconceived notion that what he will witness will be some hysteria-inducing, primitive nonsense; a man so detached from reality that he cannot draw any tangible conclusion other than "love: good, grime: bad"; a man whose inarticulate rambling about being so angry he could "shank" someone if he were more violently inclined merely betrays the character of the man writing the article.
The way you casually ignored the violence of the mods and rockers, the ska/skinhead scene, the reggae scene, etc, shows a historical revisionist bent that could be comparable with David Irving.
Other correspondence directed to you after this article was published will no doubt list the positives of the scene we are involved in, and the artists whose DIY ethics and hard work have yielded successes and chart positions alike, so I won't go over what they have said. I will, however, pose you a question:
Do you think you're perhaps that detached from how things are at street-level that you don't have a clue what you're talking about?
You're really doing a disservice to young black people when you talk about how you could have been a menace to society because of the music you had just listened to. You're reinforcing stereotypes and putting up boundaries. How utterly facetious, condescending and disingenuous can you be? You have really outdone yourself Mr Adebayo, and I hope you're proud. Enjoy your career while it lasts, because the next generation will make dinosaurs like you extinct.
Yours Sincerely,
Tarik Cherkaoui
P.K.A. Taz Buckfaster
(Music Producer/Moderator of a popular Grime website/forum.)
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tbh, i don't expect a response...
t.
(allow the few mistakes in it)
_______________________________________________________
For the attention of: Dotun Adebayo
I read your article today and afterwards I was filled with rage. Now, this wasn't a rage in which anyone would end up "shanked" as your piece suggests, but a rage at how someone could write such patently absurd nonsense, and also go on to dismiss a scene of which he knows absolutely nothing about.
The 'life imitates art' theory has been the modus operandi of mediocre, sensationalist journalism for time immemorial, and you seem to be proud to carry on this ridiculous and absurd tradition with absolutely no shame whatsoever. One really does have to ask the question:
"Did Mr Adebayo get into journalism in order to report fact, or to pander to a populist, aggressively xenophobic, problem-creating media vehicle's agenda?"
Well, the latter looks more plausible given this performance in today's edition of The Sun.
The problem with your article was not that it was in a red-top tabloid, nor was it that you were critical of the "state" of today's music scene, but much more to do with the fact that you have attempted to defame a scene which has been at the forefront of UK underground music since its inception (during the decline of UK Garage). Now, if I were a Doctor, you would expect me to be qualified to talk about medicine, would you not? However, if I was merely a journalist with no connection to, or understanding of, my subject matter, would you not consider my writing to be absolutely without merit and actually damaging to my journalistic credentials? Yes? Me too!
To imply that Grime music is responsible for violence is moron fodder. Yes, there are elements for whom grime is negative reinforcement. Does it affect their real-life actions? I sincerely doubt it. Young people have a myriad of bad examples in all of today's walks of life to draw their rage from. I do happen to remember when The Rolling Stones played at Altamont in the 60's, their hell's angels pals stabbed a fan to death. There were plenty of Dotun Adebayos back then who tried to write off the music in the tabloid press because of the perceived excesses and dangers of Rock n' Roll. In the 70's it was punk. The 80's? Heavy metal. The 90's? Rave culture. The 00's? Emo. Now, we fast forward to the present and here we are, another hack journalist with no knowledge of his subject matter, who has gone to one gig with the preconceived notion that what he will witness will be some hysteria-inducing, primitive nonsense; a man so detached from reality that he cannot draw any tangible conclusion other than "love: good, grime: bad"; a man whose inarticulate rambling about being so angry he could "shank" someone if he were more violently inclined merely betrays the character of the man writing the article.
The way you casually ignored the violence of the mods and rockers, the ska/skinhead scene, the reggae scene, etc, shows a historical revisionist bent that could be comparable with David Irving.
Other correspondence directed to you after this article was published will no doubt list the positives of the scene we are involved in, and the artists whose DIY ethics and hard work have yielded successes and chart positions alike, so I won't go over what they have said. I will, however, pose you a question:
Do you think you're perhaps that detached from how things are at street-level that you don't have a clue what you're talking about?
You're really doing a disservice to young black people when you talk about how you could have been a menace to society because of the music you had just listened to. You're reinforcing stereotypes and putting up boundaries. How utterly facetious, condescending and disingenuous can you be? You have really outdone yourself Mr Adebayo, and I hope you're proud. Enjoy your career while it lasts, because the next generation will make dinosaurs like you extinct.
Yours Sincerely,
Tarik Cherkaoui
P.K.A. Taz Buckfaster
(Music Producer/Moderator of a popular Grime website/forum.)
_________________________________________________________
tbh, i don't expect a response...
t.
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Several people in this thread have singled out the redtops in their criticism of newspapers, but the 'quality' papers are just as bad. Nick Davies' Flat Earth News is a great read for anyone interested in the media and I guarantee will make anyone think twice before buying any newspaper again!
Shug: There are more people in the greater London than there is in the whole of Scotland.
Rab C Nesbitt: But I mean, for goodness sake, it's quality that counts, not quantity.
Rab C Nesbitt: But I mean, for goodness sake, it's quality that counts, not quantity.
gwan taz.buckfaster wrote:I sent this after I read it:
(allow the few mistakes in it)
_______________________________________________________
For the attention of: Dotun Adebayo
I read your article today and afterwards I was filled with rage. Now, this wasn't a rage in which anyone would end up "shanked" as your piece suggests, but a rage at how someone could write such patently absurd nonsense, and also go on to dismiss a scene of which he knows absolutely nothing about.
The 'life imitates art' theory has been the modus operandi of mediocre, sensationalist journalism for time immemorial, and you seem to be proud to carry on this ridiculous and absurd tradition with absolutely no shame whatsoever. One really does have to ask the question:
"Did Mr Adebayo get into journalism in order to report fact, or to pander to a populist, aggressively xenophobic, problem-creating media vehicle's agenda?"
Well, the latter looks more plausible given this performance in today's edition of The Sun.
The problem with your article was not that it was in a red-top tabloid, nor was it that you were critical of the "state" of today's music scene, but much more to do with the fact that you have attempted to defame a scene which has been at the forefront of UK underground music since its inception (during the decline of UK Garage). Now, if I were a Doctor, you would expect me to be qualified to talk about medicine, would you not? However, if I was merely a journalist with no connection to, or understanding of, my subject matter, would you not consider my writing to be absolutely without merit and actually damaging to my journalistic credentials? Yes? Me too!
To imply that Grime music is responsible for violence is moron fodder. Yes, there are elements for whom grime is negative reinforcement. Does it affect their real-life actions? I sincerely doubt it. Young people have a myriad of bad examples in all of today's walks of life to draw their rage from. I do happen to remember when The Rolling Stones played at Altamont in the 60's, their hell's angels pals stabbed a fan to death. There were plenty of Dotun Adebayos back then who tried to write off the music in the tabloid press because of the perceived excesses and dangers of Rock n' Roll. In the 70's it was punk. The 80's? Heavy metal. The 90's? Rave culture. The 00's? Emo. Now, we fast forward to the present and here we are, another hack journalist with no knowledge of his subject matter, who has gone to one gig with the preconceived notion that what he will witness will be some hysteria-inducing, primitive nonsense; a man so detached from reality that he cannot draw any tangible conclusion other than "love: good, grime: bad"; a man whose inarticulate rambling about being so angry he could "shank" someone if he were more violently inclined merely betrays the character of the man writing the article.
The way you casually ignored the violence of the mods and rockers, the ska/skinhead scene, the reggae scene, etc, shows a historical revisionist bent that could be comparable with David Irving.
Other correspondence directed to you after this article was published will no doubt list the positives of the scene we are involved in, and the artists whose DIY ethics and hard work have yielded successes and chart positions alike, so I won't go over what they have said. I will, however, pose you a question:
Do you think you're perhaps that detached from how things are at street-level that you don't have a clue what you're talking about?
You're really doing a disservice to young black people when you talk about how you could have been a menace to society because of the music you had just listened to. You're reinforcing stereotypes and putting up boundaries. How utterly facetious, condescending and disingenuous can you be? You have really outdone yourself Mr Adebayo, and I hope you're proud. Enjoy your career while it lasts, because the next generation will make dinosaurs like you extinct.
Yours Sincerely,
Tarik Cherkaoui
P.K.A. Taz Buckfaster
(Music Producer/Moderator of a popular Grime website/forum.)
_________________________________________________________
tbh, i don't expect a response...
t.
layeth down thee verbal smacketh downeth
"plastician makes the tag to taz, who clotheslines the hell out of adebayo! OMG"
LMAO.
on a serious note, that was a big response, raised the issue nicely. i said it sumwer before, but in a real discussion with real ppl the sun writers stand as much chance of winning any logical debate as much as a teenager stands of going into parliment and changing laws.
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Thos quotes were from wiki in an attempt to connect the mail to the sun as I thought they were hence "sister paper" if this is not the case then you've just doubled my hate =]loopz wrote:Blimey EFA - you dont work for the sun do you, thats very selective quoting!EFA wrote:The Daily Mail is a British newspaper, currently published in a tabloid format. First published in 1896 by Lord Northcliffe, it is Britain's second biggest-selling daily newspaper after The Sun. Its sister paper
http://www.thisisworldnews.com/UK-News/
News Corp in the UK owns The Sun, News of the World, The Times, The Sunday Times and thelondonpaper.The Daily Mail is a British newspaper, currently published in a tabloid format. First published in 1896 by Lord Northcliffe, it is Britain's second biggest-selling daily newspaper after The Sun. Its sister paper, The Mail on Sunday was launched in 1982. An Irish version of the paper was launched on 6 February 2006. The Daily Mail was Britain's first daily newspaper aimed at what is now considered the middle-market and the first to sell 1 million copies a day.
I'm not defending The Mail though, thats owned and run by a seperate group of c**ts, who are equally insideous.
The Mail own the Metro though no? Their output has been a little dodgy of late...
Annnnnnnyway, I'm outta all this shit - just gutted that I was pointed in the direction of the Sun website twice in one day - doesent sit well with me
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Taz's reply was wicked.
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