Is dubstep the last major shift in dance music?

[Shift Recordings]

slow down a 170bpm dnb track to its half 85 bpm - what you get is dubstep (ok, there is no pitch correction).
double the speed of a 90bpm dubstep track - what you get is dnb (ok, there is no pitch correction). the structure is the same. vice versa.

Try listening again at 45rpm.

HAHAHAHHAHA that cracked me up

[Tangka]

one thing that breaks my heart is those of us who think it's nothing more than slowed down dnb

keeping yourself in a box may work for you but dont do it to me FFS

It is what it is, who care what some people think it is?

well i wasnt planning on jumping off a cliff or anything



point taken, but i do care what people think

[abZ]

one thing that breaks my heart is those of us who think it's nothing more than slowed down dnb

keeping yourself in a box may work for you but dont do it to me FFS

It is what it is, who care what some people think it is?

well i wasnt planning on jumping off a cliff or anything



point taken, but i do care what people think

Yeah I know just sayin'. I have had it happen more than once, after I play a set someone comes up to me and says hey man nice dnb set. Of course I tell them it's not dnb. They always get this look on their face like "yeah right". So people aren't too clued up in my region but the important thing is they were diggin' it and hopefully they will be looking for my name on lineups.

[kindofblue272]

slow down a 170bpm dnb track to its half 85 bpm - what you get is dubstep (ok, there is no pitch correction).
double the speed of a 90bpm dubstep track - what you get is dnb (ok, there is no pitch correction). the structure is the same. vice versa.

if you look at the electronic music genre evolution at the moment the most exiting things happen in Dubstep.

there will be time when Dubstep will burn out just like dnb.

guess I won't be mixing any Synthactica Records dubstep tunes into my sets anytime soon

[tempest]

Well there have already been major shifts in dubstep. If anything, dubstep has really made me pay attention to all emerging genres.

Also: Weed. What if DMT, for example, was to become as easily available one day ?

DMT is easily available in many plants.. at least where i'm at...

got a few mates who toke that shit regularly... loved it, and seemed to have some mad realisations but then ultimately got over it... strange drug that one...

oh yeah... this is a bit of derailment.. what was the thread about again?

ahh yeah long live the dub steps... i agree with the ever turning wheel theory, and the 'post genre' thing sounds cool too... makes me think of evolving noise mutating through different tempos with bangin beats trailing off into minimal blips with alien soljahs brocking wide amongst the human/cyborg contingent all in perfect harmony

[djawol]

I have to point out Subvert / Excision - Dirt Nap, if u have heard any of the tracks on that EP they all sound like dubstep but the bpm is not at all, its more glitch hop at 100bpm, is it new? mabie, but who cares when it sounds good haha

[sio2]

whats more exciting is dubsteps openess to merging with other genres due to its very unstrict structure.

The same was said about drum n bass when it emerged as a global force. I believe the same is true for any kind of good music.

Dubstep is forwardbound so you can take it as far as poss by creating cutting edge beats cutting them to dubsplate and dropping them at the club. Its a new style and a new sound presented in the same way Elvis Presley & Jerry Lee Lewis did it. Here's a pic of a one of my new acetates being cut. I recommend cutting dubplates. It seems expensive but actually ends up costing about the same as if you were to pay about 50 cents for the right to play the dubsplate evey time you played it. Cutting dubplates is a bargin actually. You have something timeless, a real object of musical creation that has a big sound like no Mp3 can ever come close. Wave files are a good place to start.

[dubstepjustin]

slow down a 170bpm dnb track to its half 85 bpm - what you get is dubstep (ok, there is no pitch correction).
double the speed of a 90bpm dubstep track - what you get is dnb (ok, there is no pitch correction). the structure is the same. vice versa.

if you look at the electronic music genre evolution at the moment the most exiting things happen in Dubstep.

there will be time when Dubstep will burn out just like dnb.

Wrong! DNB and Dubstep have different syncopation in their stuctures.

[cogi]

haha, why would the thread title ever ring true.

enjoy your ponderings

[tacospheros]

slow down a 170bpm dnb track to its half 85 bpm - what you get is dubstep (ok, there is no pitch correction).
double the speed of a 90bpm dubstep track - what you get is dnb (ok, there is no pitch correction). the structure is the same. vice versa.

if you look at the electronic music genre evolution at the moment the most exiting things happen in Dubstep.

there will be time when Dubstep will burn out just like dnb.

Wrong! DNB and Dubstep have different syncopation in their stuctures.

nah actually he's spot on about slowing down jungle

[Littlefoot]

slow down a 170bpm dnb track to its half 85 bpm - what you get is dubstep (ok, there is no pitch correction).
double the speed of a 90bpm dubstep track - what you get is dnb (ok, there is no pitch correction). the structure is the same. vice versa.

if you look at the electronic music genre evolution at the moment the most exiting things happen in Dubstep.

there will be time when Dubstep will burn out just like dnb.

Wrong! DNB and Dubstep have different syncopation in their stuctures.

nah actually he's spot on about slowing down jungle

which is sped up hip hop

which is cut up funk

which is shuffled rnb

which is sped up blues

which is american black folk music

[FSTZ1]

**yawn**

[+torment+]

seen?

[deamonds]

One day, every possible combination of note, pitch and sound will have been produced and we will have essentially 'run out of music'. By the time this happens, new tunes (which will only appear two or three times a year due to the lack of available new musical combinations) will be selling at over $4000 a unit and the world's economy will be entirely imbalanced.

paul mccartney said that didnt he?

[blackdown]

One day, every possible combination of note, pitch and sound will have been produced and we will have essentially 'run out of music'.

There are an infininite number of frequencies between 50.1 Hz and 50.2Hz.
There are an infininite number of frequencies between 50.2Hz and 50.3Hz.
There are an infininite number of frequencies between 50.3 Hz and 50.4Hz.
...

Same for every interval in the spectrum you can think of. You can take these infinite number of frequencies and combine them in an infinite number of ways, creating an infinite number of new musical combinations.

Still think we will 'run out of music?'

[blackdown]

slow down a 170bpm dnb track to its half 85 bpm - what you get is dubstep (ok, there is no pitch correction).
double the speed of a 90bpm dubstep track - what you get is dnb (ok, there is no pitch correction). the structure is the same. vice versa.

if you look at the electronic music genre evolution at the moment the most exiting things happen in Dubstep.

there will be time when Dubstep will burn out just like dnb.

I know other people have commented on this post but i feel the need to re-iterate what mistake believing this is.

Yes, there are some general structures in d&b that when you shift tempo (from 175bpm > 140bpm tbh, not 90bpm) seem to translate, especially if you look at early dubstep when the snares were more often on the 2 and the 4, and not the 3.

but the devil is in the detail - detail that a lot of the recent d&b convert producers seem to massively overlook. there are textures, ideas, details that are just as important in defining what makes dubstep original that are totally independent of tempo. just "doing newschool d&b at 140bpm" seems to produce the most spectacularly bad dubstep records imo.

and as for the suggestion that dubstep "will burn out just like dnb" - sure it is a concern and yes, no movement lasts forever, especially when it undergoes such massive transformation, delocalisation and exposure as dubstep has since Jan 06, but the future is not pre-determined and i still have faith that a lot of good people have a vested interest in keeping dustep open, original, exciting and vital for as long as they can...

[nesslei]

but the devil is in the detail - detail that a lot of the recent d&b convert producers seem to massively overlook. there are textures, ideas, details that are just as important in defining what makes dubstep original that are totally independent of tempo. just "doing newschool d&b at 140bpm" seems to produce the most spectacularly bad dubstep records imo.

certainly is. i can't find words to express exactly what i hear that's different between the two genres but it feels to me that much dnb is made on a narrower spectrum of sound (ie. the frequencies are not as spacious). dubstep seems to fill much more space. (see i told you the words weren't there).

and as for the suggestion that dubstep "will burn out just like dnb" - sure it is a concern and yes, no movement lasts forever, especially when it undergoes such massive transformation, delocalisation and exposure as dubstep has since Jan 06, but the future is not pre-determined and i still have faith that a lot of good people have a vested interest in keeping dustep open, original, exciting and vital for as long as they can...

me too.

[bribkin]

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Ys. However dubstep is a major shit ... [/quote]

[utopian]

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I suspect like most the reason I got into this music was because of the 'wow this is totally new' factor and the evilness/weightiness of it and that fact that it sounds incredible loud and is fun to dance/groove to. So is this the last seriously major shift in dance music?

However dubstep is a major shit ... different rhythms/structure/groove etc. The point is we've had house/acid/ambient techno/techno/hardcore/jungle/gabba/dnb/breakcore etc etc and now when dubstep arrived its a monumental shift so yeah naturally I wonder if it'll ever occur again because its extremely exciting when it does and you can experience it.

I haven't got time to read the whole thread, but I don't get why this would mean it might be the last major shift. The fact we have seen such a different groove come in and prove so popular is sugestive enough that there are probably other ways dance music can go

[freqone]

In my opinion>>>;
Major shift?....Dubstep can hardly be considered a shift in music,dance or otherwise) Dubstep is a continuation of the 2step/garage sound(s)[& yes other sound(s) can take credit but generally speaking...] That is why even now 4yrs later dubstep doesnt sound as I remember it sounding in 2004, even 2005&6 for that matter. Progression it's the way of things.