Black Sun Empire Making Dubstep

devious_n4ture · Post by **devious_n4ture** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:58 pm

madrpo wrote: Alot of Dubstep producers and DJ's seem to have come from DnB so why is there negativity when a DnB act make Dubstep?

Don't speak for me please.... I like many others came through the garage root... Was always a garage head and was buying garage from 98 until it died a terrible death .... Dont get me wrong i didnt hate on drum and i still don't... But the influence it is having on alot of dubstep is clear for all to see, i like many others am partial to a good ol' wobble here and there but lets not forget the roots of our music didn't sound a thing like drum and bass and this is what people moving over to the scene do not know/realise/care about. The influence has come from people getting tired of drum and moving over to dubstep with the same lifeless ideas that dried up drum and bass in the first place. Isn't this just going to create the same humdrum (excuse the pun) feeling that made people leave the drum scene in the first place??? Basically i don't care what background a producer comes from just be fresh!!!! Don't use dried up ideas that have already made one scene bland and think "if i just do the same thing at 70/140BPM no-one will notice" WE WILL!!!!!

Im not digging here at any of the drum producers by the way, i love Step Out, Saxon, Time to kill. Breakage is amazing, Martyn is amazing, the list could go on. I rinse these tunes/producers on a regular basis, but it is just an unintentional ignorance that some people (and im not talking producers) have in their attitudes towards a music scene they don't actually fully understand....... e.g the guy who has been quoted above.....

eshscramble · Post by **eshscramble** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:11 pm

someone said 'make it sound like your first album'

hell yeah, driving insane is mos def one of my favorite dnb releases. cool packaging too, i have the cd and lp

ruckspin · Post by **ruckspin** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:36 pm

dnb owns garage any day lol

on a more serious note, BSE are fuckin DONS
we've booked em now for the second time in a year...

ory · Post by **ory** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:55 pm

yawn.

it should be a requirement for anyone getting into producing dubstep to learn about el-b, horsepower and early mystikz.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:02 pm

Ory wrote:yawn.

it should be a requirement for anyone getting into producing dubstep to learn about el-b, horsepower and early mystikz.

I dunno about that. I mean, pretty much as long as there's been music people have been doing great stuff by forgetting history and getting stuff wrong. We wouldn't even have drum and bass and dubstep if the UK hardcore crew had paid lots of attention to the history of Detroit techno and stayed elegant and apollonian all over the place.

If people want to bring their own influences and take it somewhere altogether different that's cool, I think part of the reason those Black Sun tunes don't do much for me is that they aren't bringing any new influences or even taking inspiration from a broad range the usual influences...

ruckspin · Post by **ruckspin** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:58 am

horses for courses

personally i can't take garage seriously unless we're talking about MJ Cole, Serious Danger, 187 Lockdown, or :wookie:

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:07 am

Slothrop wrote:they aren't bringing any new influences or even taking inspiration from a broad range the usual influences...

such an important point. i think dance music should always be pushing boundaries.

apathesis · Post by **apathesis** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:47 am

I don't think mr and mrs black sun empire really understand dubstep...

djfoster · Post by **djfoster** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:01 am

hypersun is siiiickkkk!!!! I like it

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:07 am

Stenchman wrote:
ThinKing wrote:
wobbler. wrote:It's great to see dnb artists such as Chase & Status, Benny Page, BSE etc all producing dubstep now!
is it??
elitist bastards!!! !

hahahahahahah

not really, I just asked a question. There was no qualifying statement from the dude as to why it's great to see those DnB artists producing dubstep now.

bunjcore · Post by **bunjcore** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:45 am

These tunes are so shit. No invention, this is drum n bass slowed down, there is no reply to that argument any more. When the scene becomes saturated with progressionless wobble that makes you yawn dubstep is going to be far less appealing for music lovers fro other genres that got enticed by the sound in the first place.
I got into dubstep because it manipulated addictively experimental sounds that I heard in breakcore into palatable dancefloor tunes.
Nowadays wen I'm looking to buy records I have to sift through so much shit and it all sounds like this d'n'b infected SHITE or some plodding dub bassline wiv a stale reggae sample over the top.
Makes the amazin tunes stand out more i suppose tho.

wooda916 · Post by **wooda916** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:03 am

BSE are sick producers there dnb is quality, especially, as has been pointed out, there first album.

I personally don't give a shit where people come from musically, if a tunes good it good, i dont get this hate towards dnb producers at all, especially when you consider the amount of top notch producers coming from the dnb/jungle scene.

It seems to me that there seems to be alot of elitism from many people on here, it a "garage background = good, dnb background = bad" attitude, and people thinking that garage is the only root of all dubstep, which to me is the wrong attitude to have as it limits what sound dubstep can move into.

One of the most important things to me, that makes me love dubstep so much is that there is such a huge wealth of influences and so many tunes that sound nothing like eachother but are still fantastic.

as for these tunes, i think they are both decent, not outstanding but alright, i'd say hypersun is the better of the 2...

3275 · Post by **3275** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:59 am

better than i expected, but nothing special..

T_macabre · Post by **T_macabre** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:02 pm

seckle wrote:
martyn is nearly universally loved in this scene, and chiefly due to the fact that he writes music first and worries about what genre it is afterwards.

QFT

bagelator · Post by **bagelator** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:14 pm

another thread about dubstep vs dnb . wow. haven't heard the tunes. will save reservations. some music is formulaic, some pushes boundaries. whilst we all hope that new tunes will show us something different that we haven't heard before, in reality the majority is going to be a bit bland/poo. life's like that.

funxion · Post by **funxion** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:18 pm

bse are amazing producers and i loved the dnb they were making but didnt like the material after the first album.

i dont like the dubstep tunes but i think some people here must give them a little time cause basically even with their backround ....these tunes are the first dubstep tunes they did.

come on guys

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:22 pm

i think the tendancy in dubstep is to set the standards of what is 'acceptable' way higher than whats usually possible. genres have to have a certain level of copy cats for the foundation to be built. if everyone was doing something completely different then it wouldnt be a genre.
things dont even seem to be getting a chance if theyre not already at a certain height. l

ike the 'you have to be this tall to ride' signs next to rollercoaster rides. people are creating the 'height' restrictions way beyond even their own reach cos people tend to be comparing 'this' dubstep to 'that' dubstep.

measure tunes only against themselves and not any other factors and you've removed the 'conneuseur-esque' vibe alot of steppers seem to have adopted.

MARCHMELLOW · Post by **MARCHMELLOW** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:36 pm

black sun empire probably make all types of different music, just cause they've loaded a few tunes at the normal dubstep tempo on their myspace player, doesn't mean they've completely converted and are claiming no knowledge of ever producing DnB!!

pretty average tunes tho, big fab of their DnB

theonelikepaul · Post by **theonelikepaul** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:46 pm

Meanwhile in the real world outside of the tinternet, d&b & dubstep is going down a treat side by side and the paying punters are loving it...

I was fortunate enough to catch BSE down at Rise @ Volks back in Feb this year, they are great musicians and drop some mad tunes.

Me and 2snide hosted the downstairs room this time, stand in duties.

Personally I like these new BSE tunes.

The cookie cutter has been set, so what, lets keep cutting cookies and raving.

spender · Post by **spender** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:25 pm

dTruk wrote:measure tunes only against themselves and not any other factors and you've removed the 'conneuseur-esque' vibe alot of steppers seem to have adopted.

So would you honestly prefer people accept and embrace mediocrity then? Just a question.

The foundations of the music were built on constant evolution. Not an 'established' sound. Thats what made it so fresh, and that lack of formula was what hooked so many folks in the first place.

In this case, I'd really hope no-one's daft enough to write off a tune based on an artists background, but if the tunes in question are as predictable as these then it can only be a good thing that the producers get straight, honest feedback from people they're hoping to appeal to. I'm sure they're grown up enough to handle criticism.

People's expectations, or what you may perceive as unrealistically high standards are only so due to the quantity of forward thinking music that this scene (for want of a better phrase) has generated in a relatively short space of time. Something that's maybe less noticeable now with the huge increase in popularity and the huge increase in releases. But it's still there, as Blackdown says in his review of Generation Bass.

It's not about snobbery. Just keeping the standards high.

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