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kozee wrote:

tes la rok wrote:
Unreleased tunes not cool...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

indeed.

some tosser put up a video of a guy smoking crack to one of my unreleased tunes. not cool.

tes la rok wrote:I think if tune is _released_ it's not necessary a bad thing. Example Round The World Girls have 40,000+ hits.. It's a good exposure for artists & tune and if I remember right PRS pays roaylties from youtube nowdays.

Unreleased tunes not cool...

Truth is always multifaceted, unreleased tunes not cool you say... If an artist gets 40,000 hits and unsigned. Still not cool?

Ashley wrote:
The internet can stream at 256 and 320...but whats the point when 128 is sufficent? Can you really tell the difference between 128 and 320? Will it make your listening experience much better? I doubt it.

mebbe your ears can't, but mines and many other folks can; the whole thing sounds a bit thinner, and less warm, and higher sounds like symbols can sound terrible sometimes; IMO it's more than the difference between CDs and Vinyl, and that definitely exists;

tes la rok wrote:But how PRS split youtube incomes between songwriters / producers I dont know. Didn't find any data about it.

.. seriously joining PRS is easy, no matter where u live. It just cost around 100 pounds.

mebbe i'm wrong, but i seem to remember they also require documented evidence of you getting played on the radio, which for some might be a bigger stumbling block than the hundred quid

Argonaut wrote:

tes la rok wrote:But how PRS split youtube incomes between songwriters / producers I dont know. Didn't find any data about it.

.. seriously joining PRS is easy, no matter where u live. It just cost around 100 pounds.

mebbe i'm wrong, but i seem to remember they also require documented evidence of you getting played on the radio, which for some might be a bigger stumbling block than the hundred quid

The documented evidence is called a playlist, all terrestrial (non pirate) radio dj's are required to submit one for each show, this is how prs collects in the information that enables them to count how many plays a tune gets.

Has anyone got a link to information on prs collecting royalties for artists from youtube? I havn't read every post in this thread so I apologise if the info has already been posted.

I think hosting full tunes on youtube is EXCELLENT.

Same with myspace.

Great exposure, but quality is low enough that people won't be able to effectively steal it.

I mean sure they can have the crappy youtube copy, but they can't mix it without it being obvious where it came from.

Mechabot 01 wrote: The documented evidence is called a playlist, all terrestrial (non pirate) radio dj's are required to submit one for each show, this is how prs collects in the information that enables them to count how many plays a tune gets.

mebbe all bigger stations, but i've dj'd on local radio for years and never been asked to submit a playlist

Argonaut wrote:

Ashley wrote:
The internet can stream at 256 and 320...but whats the point when 128 is sufficent? Can you really tell the difference between 128 and 320? Will it make your listening experience much better? I doubt it.

mebbe your ears can't, but mines and many other folks can; the whole thing sounds a bit thinner, and less warm, and higher sounds like symbols can sound terrible sometimes; IMO it's more than the difference between CDs and Vinyl, and that definitely exists;

agreed neil especially when using headphones i definitely notice the difference in quality between 128 and 320. Guess my ears have taken a proper battered past few years. i find it difficult to listen to low bit rate stuff. Like you say high end can sound really nasty. I dont really bother with streamed radio etc. coz of that.

are you down in landon now mate?

Hi hats will usually sound pretty terrible on a youtube video plus bass will not sound as crisp.

Pure wrote:Hi hats will usually sound pretty terrible on a youtube video plus bass will not sound as crisp.

Everything at 22khz, mono will lol

No doubt

tes la rok wrote:

Fused Forces wrote:

tes la rok wrote:I think if tune is released, good exposure for artists & tune. Unreleased tunes not cool...

IF you quote me, please do it _correctly_. don't cut half of the phrase off. Not cool man. That phrase gives feeling like i aprove uploading un-authorised tunes to you tube.

this is the original sentence :

I think if tune is _released_ it's not necessary a bad thing. Example Round The World Girls have 40,000+ hits.. It's a good exposure for artists & tune and if I remember right PRS pays roaylties from youtube nowdays.



My point was just that I tried to find someting good from the bad... Cause there is no way to kill pirates and torrents etc.. So comparing to torrents, youtube is better publicity for producer.

LOL sorry man, but that line was pretty much wot we was gonna say, so we quoted that with a few clicks of the mouse rather than having to write it out just lazyness really

No offence ment.

To be honest a tune bein put on you tube is pretty much the same as it been played on radio or bein put up on myspaces, proper low sound quality, so not much can be done with it. But defo good exposure for a release cos of the amount of people that go on there.

The difference between 128 and 256+ is huge, but the bigger question is whether the person that downloads something was ever going to buy it or not.

I don't wanna start a war, and I hate people downloading tunes and stuff but think of it this way - have you ever become interested in something through a friend or word of mouth or something and then just googled it? If there was something to see/hear regarding it chances are you'd click it. So now you've added your 'click' to a youtube/myspace/whatever counter just to find out what it's about. If you dig it you might look further, if not you move along to the next thing. Just because something has 'X' amount of hits, it doesn't mean that those hits = that number of sales lost.

But I agree - unreleased tunes shouldn't be put up by randoms.

youtube is the modern equivalent of radio when it comes to music...

Argonaut wrote:

Mechabot 01 wrote: The documented evidence is called a playlist, all terrestrial (non pirate) radio dj's are required to submit one for each show, this is how prs collects in the information that enables them to count how many plays a tune gets.

mebbe all bigger stations, but i've dj'd on local radio for years and never been asked to submit a playlist

Do you play on radio stations with a community license? If not then you should be able to petition for inclusion in the prs monitored playlists, perhaps not every show but some of them for sure. Speak to your station manager or contact PRS to find out the exact details. All legal radio stations have to pay PRS for a license to play peoples music so therefore they have to pay out for the music played. On smaller stations they usually use a formula to calculate plays for niche shows over a certain amount of time. I'm not sure of the exact details as they change form time to time but as I said speak to your station manager or PRS directly, PRS are usually very helpfull with enquiries.

Piston wrote:youtube is the modern equivalent of radio when it comes to music...

agree

Mechabot 01 wrote: Do you play on radio stations with a community license? If not then you should be able to petition for inclusion in the prs monitored playlists, perhaps not every show but some of them for sure. Speak to your station manager or contact PRS to find out the exact details. All legal radio stations have to pay PRS for a license to play peoples music so therefore they have to pay out for the music played. On smaller stations they usually use a formula to calculate plays for niche shows over a certain amount of time. I'm not sure of the exact details as they change form time to time but as I said speak to your station manager or PRS directly, PRS are usually very helpfull with enquiries.

yes, i did, but don't right now as i've just moved city (yes daggus, to london); however I can't say it particularly bothered me as a) Making a playlist is more of a hassle and b) i can't imagine much prs money would go anyway to jamaican artists for tracks they recorded 30 years ago without much copywrite, even finding them would be tough in some cases

Argonaut wrote:

Mechabot 01 wrote: Do you play on radio stations with a community license? If not then you should be able to petition for inclusion in the prs monitored playlists, perhaps not every show but some of them for sure. Speak to your station manager or contact PRS to find out the exact details. All legal radio stations have to pay PRS for a license to play peoples music so therefore they have to pay out for the music played. On smaller stations they usually use a formula to calculate plays for niche shows over a certain amount of time. I'm not sure of the exact details as they change form time to time but as I said speak to your station manager or PRS directly, PRS are usually very helpfull with enquiries.

yes, i did, but don't right now as i've just moved city (yes daggus, to london); however I can't say it particularly bothered me as a) Making a playlist is more of a hassle and b) i can't imagine much prs money would go anyway to jamaican artists for tracks they recorded 30 years ago without much copywrite, even finding them would be tough in some cases

Whether they find them or not is down to PRS. What about those actually missing out on royalties?

Ovesen wrote: Thank Jah for the internet, or whatever.....

i can't find an accurate textualization for the tone of laugh that made me do. Muhuhuhuhu maybe?


i see this as unavoidable really (youtube, not inserting the word Jah into things at random, although it seems that may be too )

i would worry more if i wasn't on youtube. Which im not i don't think, hence, worrying

missbrass wrote:i used youtube in order to convert friends to dubstep...
I played out round the world girls and benga for a minute at the apple store...they had no choice

now you are my god