The death of Vinyl

alien pimp · Post by **alien pimp** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:01 am

i've expressed my view on this one here :
www.prozacforangels.com - the video

and i think it would be very useful to follow the similar topics here along the years and see how the debate evolved. connect the dots and you'll have the trend and then you'll be able to even do a fairly accurate prediction about the future.

2009 finds me not only in total harmony with the situation, but even thinking the next step after people will accept reality

that doesn't mean i'll cease releasing wax for good, au contraire, watch for grinch rec in jan 09

quidz · Post by **quidz** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:44 am

no matter what or how things go in dubstep in years to come it will always be a case of "each to their own" whether vinyl gets bought or not. Labels and retailers will just have to provide a well estimated ratio as to what the consumers want.

alien pimp · Post by **alien pimp** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:49 am

quidz wrote:no matter what or how things go in dubstep in years to come it will always be a case of "each to their own" whether vinyl gets bought or not. Labels and retailers will just have to provide a well estimated ratio as to what the consumers want.

that's exactly the issue: the actual ratio isn't really able to support the industry, and it's not going the propa way either

dubstepz · Post by **dubstepz** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:55 am

Earthling wrote:sounds more like you've been looking into a mirror, not a crystal ball

Yeh I am looking in the mirror to be honest mate.

I used to love vinyl but now have switched to 95% of my music being downloaded online.

51% of Atlantic Records' revenue came online last year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008 ... ic-records

dj mate · Post by **dj mate** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:07 am

Fixation wrote:
dubstepz wrote:
Who want's a room full of vinyl when you can do the same in a laptop particularly if your lucky enough to be a traveling DJ.

i would take a room full of vinyl over a laptop anyday

Same here.

rob sparx · Post by **rob sparx** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:17 pm

I use vinyl & cd but I'll give u some reasons why WAV/mp3 can sound better than vinyl:

1.) No need to reduce stereo width of bass frequencies so pads can sound a lot deeper - ok this might not be relevant to a club if the soundsystem is set to mono, but listening on a home stereo/headphones it does make a big difference. Also comparing some of my original WAVs to the vinyl cuts I've noticed the overall stereo width (not just bass frequencies) is usually a bit narrower and it always gets messed about with 2 some extent. Point is if the tune doesnt have to be cut 2 vinyl then theres less that can go wrong with it.

2.) No loss of >16hz treble frequencies

3.) No warping

4.) No crackles - ok sometimes in a tune that adds to it but sometimes they're too loud

5.) Needles dont jump on a CD player

I get as much music as possible on vinyl but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over playing new tunes from cds instead of dubplates - remember only a few years back most clubs didnt have a decent pair of CDJs so dubplates were the only serious option but thats all changed now. Plenty cant b bothered with how much it costs (time as well as money) to cut a few dubplates especially when your trying to make a living from it and just cos the tunes on dubplate doesnt mean it will sound better. Ok it might b worth it if your playing a big gig on a good system but if your not playing through a good system then whos gonna notice the difference anyway?

fused_forces · Post by **fused_forces** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:21 pm

Dj Mate wrote:
Fixation wrote:
dubstepz wrote:
Who want's a room full of vinyl when you can do the same in a laptop particularly if your lucky enough to be a traveling DJ.

i would take a room full of vinyl over a laptop anyday
Same here.

And me.

faun2500 · Post by **faun2500** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:43 pm

dubstepz wrote:
prisoner wrote:OMFG WHAT AM I GOING TO DO HOLY SHIT NOOOOOO IM KILLING MYSELF RIGHT NOW!!1111111111111111

It's a good thing.

And it should be acceptable not to use vinyl when playing rave's and more labels should release digital.

Its NOT a good thing. The quality of music has come down at a dramatic rate and its all down to fucking shit quality MP3's. 128kbps sound good? NO.

Why spend 100 quid on headphones and then listen to a 96kbps mp3 of some wannabe producer thats using all cracked digital software to make over limited shit music????

Why buy those expensive gold-plated phono leads for your £800 CD deck and then play a 320mp3 tru it?

Why spend £900 on studio monitors and another grand on analog hardware compressors and spend 10 years learning how to make things sound the best you can when some twat goes and plays your tune as an 128 mp3 in a club?????

Why spend all that money on your car stereo and speakers that aparently offer 'better quality playback' and then go and boom out some shit I-tunes download at 64kbps?????

I dont get it, people need to wake up about this.

MP3 has its uses but when it comes down to listening, give me a vinyl or a WAV any day!

dubstepz · Post by **dubstepz** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:03 pm

faun2500 wrote:Its NOT a good thing. The quality of music has come down at a dramatic rate and its all down to fucking shit quality MP3's. 128kbps sound good? NO.

Yeh anything below a 320kbps or .wav is well below standard. 256's are ok for radio play.

faun2500 wrote:Why spend 100 quid on headphones and then listen to a 96kbps mp3 of some wannabe producer thats using all cracked digital software to make over limited shit music????

They must be a shit producer if they are bouncing down 96's for distribution.

faun2500 wrote:Why buy those expensive gold-plated phono leads for your £800 CD deck and then play a 320mp3 tru it?

The kind of person who buy's gold plated leads will also spend the extra 80p on beatport for wav's.

faun2500 wrote:Why spend £900 on studio monitors and another grand on analog hardware compressors and spend 10 years learning how to make things sound the best you can when some twat goes and plays your tune as an 128 mp3 in a club?????

Why spend all that money on your car stereo and speakers that aparently offer 'better quality playback' and then go and boom out some shit I-tunes download at 64kbps?????

Again.

faun2500 wrote:I dont get it, people need to wake up about this.

MP3 has its uses but when it comes down to listening, give me a vinyl or a WAV any day!

Go to beatport.com. Type in the name of your favourite dustep tune and buy both the 320kbps and .wav How much difference do you here through your studio monitors? They try it thorugh ipod headphones. Then try it in your car. And you will not tell in a club.

Trust me... im sad enough to have done that and although you can hear the diff clearly on monitors or a top hi-fi system, most people wouldn't know a 320 from a wav unless u told them.

The ''quality'' argument does not old up with .wav's vs vinyl.

alien pimp · Post by **alien pimp** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:16 pm

quidz wrote:Labels and retailers will just have to provide a well estimated ratio as to what the consumers want.

if the market asks for just 250 vinyls at a fair price, cannot be done usually
so the ratio also needs to be economically sustainable, which happens less and less

phaeleh · Post by **phaeleh** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:52 pm

faun2500 wrote:
dubstepz wrote:
prisoner wrote:OMFG WHAT AM I GOING TO DO HOLY SHIT NOOOOOO IM KILLING MYSELF RIGHT NOW!!1111111111111111

It's a good thing.

And it should be acceptable not to use vinyl when playing rave's and more labels should release digital.
Its NOT a good thing. The quality of music has come down at a dramatic rate and its all down to fucking shit quality MP3's. 128kbps sound good? NO.

Why spend 100 quid on headphones and then listen to a 96kbps mp3 of some wannabe producer thats using all cracked digital software to make over limited shit music????

Why buy those expensive gold-plated phono leads for your £800 CD deck and then play a 320mp3 tru it?

Why spend £900 on studio monitors and another grand on analog hardware compressors and spend 10 years learning how to make things sound the best you can when some twat goes and plays your tune as an 128 mp3 in a club?????

Why spend all that money on your car stereo and speakers that aparently offer 'better quality playback' and then go and boom out some shit I-tunes download at 64kbps?????

I dont get it, people need to wake up about this.

MP3 has its uses but when it comes down to listening, give me a vinyl or a WAV any day!

I do get a bit annoyed with the whole i-tunes culture and the fact that most consumers music archive is at 128kbps etc, but i think any producer/dj who's trying to anything seriously isn't going to be dropping 128kbps mp3s in a club or sending out lower quality mp3s as demos.

I think it's worth noting that most of the mp3 shops offer the options of flac and wav, and most of the serious digital djs that i know will always get these.

I think these points were a bit more relevant a few years ago, but think anyone with a passion for music these days is more aware of the implications of poorly encoded mp3s. Just my thoughts anyway

phaeleh · Post by **phaeleh** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:53 pm

lol dubstepz beat me to it

boy_arena · Post by **boy_arena** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:59 pm

dubstepz wrote:
prisoner wrote:OMFG WHAT AM I GOING TO DO HOLY SHIT NOOOOOO IM KILLING MYSELF RIGHT NOW!!1111111111111111

It's a good thing.

And it should be acceptable not to use vinyl when playing rave's and more labels should release digital.

not really no! im loyal to vinyl especially in dubstep i think its a huge part of dubstep as a whole!

wurge · Post by **wurge** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:05 pm

i only buy vinyl. im only mess bout in my room though so i like the collection

sollabong · Post by **sollabong** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:17 pm

as i see:

digital is the future, BUT there are 2 things

1. labels have to make better quality controll,cause thats a reason why people are sceptic about this digital culture.i mean nowadays almost everyone can make a "label" and i think its not a good way, ok they'll dissappear, but you see what i mean..

2. vinyl wont die, its just temporary..

__________ · Post by **__________** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:38 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:I would say 60% or more play from CDJ's.

whaaat? that's got nothing to do with vinyl 'dying'. maybe some of the big boys play from CDs if they're travelling transatlantic, but if i paid to see Mala or Pinch or Chef in the UK and they didn't drop fresh dubs, i'd be a little upset. i don't care how great CDJs are. vinyl and dubs show a certain commitment. CDs are convenient. I doubt Kode9 played CDs because he prefers them. i reckon he played CDs because he didn't want to have his record bag nicked.

fuck 0's and 1's
it's all about the 1's and 2's!

d-code · Post by **d-code** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:54 pm

where are these facts and figures coming from? dubstep vinyl sales are on the increase, so i don't where you got that they were decreasing from?

bunjcore · Post by **bunjcore** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:01 pm

I've said it before on this forum.
YOU CANT HOLD A MP3!

I am going 2 get a cdj this year so I can play people who don't have vinyl distribution's beats. Also I love uk funky and its too frustrating how little comes out on wax.

That said vinyl wins EVERYTIME, it links u with the past. It may be expensive but it counteracts this disposable consumer culture that has undoubtedly plagued the western world.

dubstepz · Post by **dubstepz** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:08 pm

D-Code wrote:where are these facts and figures coming from? dubstep vinyl sales are on the increase, so i don't where you got that they were decreasing from?

Im sure they are mate, I don't think anybody said dubstep vinyl sales are falling at the moment.

Vinyl is the standard format the dudstep and dnb DJ's use and as popularity in the music rises im sure vinyl sales will go up.

I just think that in the next few years most DJ's will be not be using vinyl, opening up the online market that is so massive in house + techno resulting in alot more music being available and it much easier to release your own work.

There where over 15,000 techno releases last year and im sure there would be nowhere near that many if it was a vinyl based scene.

You never see and DnB or dubstep in the general top seller's charts in the online stores. If everybody was buying online instead of vinyl then more money would be made as a result of a more accessable and wider fanbase.

I know this isn't about making money, but the ease of release and reduced financial risk is a big advantage for an underground music scene and this vinyl barrier is probably blocking out alot of heavy music.

Like i say... I think alot.

If you do a digital only release then you are probable tapping to about 30% of the dubstep buying market at the moment.

If you are a new artist you might find it depressing to have 700 vinyl stacked in your room that didn't sell?

bunjcore · Post by **bunjcore** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:17 pm

dubstepz wrote:
If you are a new artist you might find it depressing to have 700 vinyl stacked in your room that didn't sell?

That's why people make sure there is enough hype behind a tune or artist (dubplate culture) before it gets a release. Otherwise anyone would release a plate and hope for the best, which is what can happen through mp3. The work that goes into ensuring a vinyl release will be at least partly succesful means that the tunes can't b utter shit.

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