Out of Interest - How many musicians we got?

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:12 pm

Guitar. Mostly played black metal in my free time and some death metal stuff. Also played some Kaki King shit when I was in a fingerpicking mood.

Haven't really touched a guitar in weeks, sadly.

What also requires skill is extreme metal vocals when done right and that's the first musical skill I ever learned.

I find sound design much harder than playing guitar or doing extreme vocals. I am thinking of getting one of those Roland MIDI pick-ups for one of my guitars to come up with melodies using my guitar since my sense of melody on guitar is much better than it is on keyboard.

sqwol · Post by **sqwol** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:13 pm

Guitar for about 15 years. Was in a jam funk band in college and played bars and house parties, but once I got into electronic music I kind of lost interest in guitar.

teqh · Post by **teqh** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:18 pm

I think anyone with a real passion for music disregards grades anyway! Its more of a classical music thing I've found, pretentious bastards

abs · Post by **abs** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:41 pm

I've played guitar and drums for years, and know a little bit about chords and scales etc.. it deffinatley helps to know a bit about music when 'producing'

altered state · Post by **altered state** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:51 pm

Used to plau drums ages ago quite seriously

but now i only play the computer.

beerz · Post by **beerz** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:54 pm

mad ep wrote: Now that I am in the UK... and teaching cello lessons, I find this whole "grade" level thing so cumbersome. On the one hand, I don't want my students to feel like they don't know where they stand compared to this bullshit national "standard" (especially cos the parents find the ABRSM grading the only way to judge how their student is doing)... but on the other hand, the requirements from one level to the next (at least for cello) are not consistent at all... and to me, proves absolutely nothing. It is all pants and I can't believe such an asinine system has been allowed to take over this whole country.

lol yer thats so true, i know loads of people who have reached this "legendary" grade 8 status only to turn around and say "now what?". It's not like its a proffesional qualification of sorts and it's not worth anything except it lets people know you played an instrument when you were a child. It's prob a cultural thing tho, like the british go about things in a more reserved manner than stateside and the whole "parents showing their kids off" thing aint as big in the uk (like all those bullshit beauty pageants)...they should have grades in production lol. that would be cold.

Mad_EP · Post by **Mad_EP** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:02 pm

TEQH wrote:I think anyone with a real passion for music disregards grades anyway! Its more of a classical music thing I've found, pretentious bastards

perhaps in this country... but as I said, I am about as classically trained as they come and think the whole ABRSM system is absolute pants. It has nothing to do with being pretentious.

bEErz wrote:lol yer thats so true, i know loads of people who have reached this "legendary" grade 8 status only to turn around and say "now what?". It's not like its a proffesional qualification of sorts and it's not worth anything except it lets people know you played an instrument when you were a child. It's prob a cultural thing tho, like the british go about things in a more reserved manner than stateside and the whole "parents showing their kids off" thing aint as big in the uk (like all those bullshit beauty pageants)...

I know what your saying bEErz... except for the fact that UK subscribes to an arbitrary 'show off' system that is completely absent in the States, shows that British 'showing off their kids' isn't any more reserved than it is in the States. If Americans were so guilty- we would have all sorts of systems in place... and the fact is: we don't. Let alone a 'national' standard.

I think the thing that baffles me the most about it is not that there is some sort of 'national' standard... but that the highest level of 'national' standard can be so vague. I have heard ensembles that have been awarded gold medals and filled with grade 8 students that completely underwhelmed me- as well as heard concerts played by children without any distinction grades that impressed me much more.

(edit- rant replaced with more leveled-head comments)

setspeed · Post by **setspeed** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:44 am

mad ep wrote:
bEErz wrote:lol yer thats so true, i know loads of people who have reached this "legendary" grade 8 status only to turn around and say "now what?". It's not like its a proffesional qualification of sorts and it's not worth anything except it lets people know you played an instrument when you were a child. It's prob a cultural thing tho, like the british go about things in a more reserved manner than stateside and the whole "parents showing their kids off" thing aint as big in the uk (like all those bullshit beauty pageants)...
I think the thing that baffles me the most about it is not that there is some sort of 'national' standard... but that the highest level of 'national' standard can be so vague. I have heard ensembles that have been awarded gold medals and filled with grade 8 students that completely underwhelmed me- as well as heard concerts played by children without any distinction grades that impressed me much more.

it's interesting to read your thoughts. i started having reservations about it too - i did drums up to grade 6, but later went on to have a look at grades 7 & 8, just out of interest. i found grade 8 to be quite straightforward, and certainly much easier than grade 7!

which was pretty confusing. and even though I'm confident that, with those pieces anyway, I could pass grade 8 without too much strain, since I got into the big wide world (cos this was all while I was at school) i've realised that I am in fact a comparatively poor drummer. most of my friends who are drummers would be WAY above grade 8 by that measure, but wouldn't really consider themselves anything particularly special...

apathesis · Post by **apathesis** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:53 pm

Used to play guitar and bass, love playing piano but am not very good haha.

Use piano primarily to work out harmonies etc, also did an A level in music which has proved invaluable

reason · Post by **reason** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:07 pm

Bass (upright and electric) guitar, keyboard, hand drums, a very little kit (wish I had one, I would play it all the time!!), and kazoo. I have been playing in my band, The DeepEnd for prolly 8 years now. I put all real instruments down for about 5 years when I first got into DJing and electronic music, but I'm happy to say I picked it back up because its a skill that embellishes what I do with my dance music.

jbird22 · Post by **jbird22** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:41 pm

Wow there are tons of guitarists on ere, especially people who are into metal. I'm 1 of em.

Wonder what the connection between dubstep an metal is?

teqh · Post by **teqh** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:54 pm

mad ep wrote:
TEQH wrote:I think anyone with a real passion for music disregards grades anyway! Its more of a classical music thing I've found, pretentious bastards

perhaps in this country... but as I said, I am about as classically trained as they come and think the whole ABRSM system is absolute pants. It has nothing to do with being pretentious.

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I was being facetious lol

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:04 pm

jbird22 wrote:Wonder what the connection between dubstep an metal is?

Meh, dubstep is young. I mean, you won't find many dubstep purists who don't listen to anything that isn't dubstep, so it's likely just coincidence. It's not like the internet isn't flooded by guitarists.

And I don't think that every person who posted here is a dubstep producer. I make breakcore, for example and I am sure some people are likely into making house, or techno or dnb or jungle or whatever (though I think all of them like dubstep).

Though there is a lot of appreciation for Burzum at this forum from what I've noticed. Can't blame 'em.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:08 pm

Hurtdeer wrote:
jbird22 wrote:Wow there are tons of guitarists on ere, especially people who are into metal. I'm 1 of em.

Wonder what the connection between dubstep an metal is?
Heavy grooves man. There's not that much difference between a big heavy ass bassline and a chuggin metal riff. Hell, even Distance sounds like Korn

Wouldn't call Korn metal.

But the groove is the main similarity I can find in some metal, other than drone metal's love for sub bass.

Though what I h ave in mind is sludge metal such as Acid Bath. The way the guitarists go from a chug to a bend does remind of dubstep basslines.

stapleface · Post by **stapleface** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:42 pm

yeah grade 5 classical guitar, and i play electric guitar- mostly thrash but I like working out dub basslines on my guitar as well because I don't play bass XD

jbird22 · Post by **jbird22** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:52 pm

So do u recon that it would be possible to do a dubstep remix of a metal track?

And if so does anybody know of any that have been done already?

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:53 pm

Hurtdeer wrote:
Genevieve wrote:
Wouldn't call Korn metal.
they fall under one of the metal subgenres and they use heavy riffs (which was the point of my last post) so yeah they're pretty much metal

not particularly great but metal nonetheless

They're not great metal, or great anything, really. Their style is called 'nu-metal' which isn't metal as much as metal influenced, particularly, influenced by "groove metal" aka "post-thrash" which grew out of thrash and sludge metal in the early '90s, bands like Sepultura, Pantera, Machine Head and stuff played it. Anyway, some alternative rock bands started to get influenced by groove metal and the result was constant 7 string chugging and power chords.

Wolves in the Throne Room is metal, Ulver is metal, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62Br1gWpbY]Dark Angel is metal. Korn is not.

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