Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:10 pm
Paulie wrote:It's all about the music!
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:24 pm
YOU GET ME?
Music is sound, not the politics surrounding it, who cares what you call it, the most important thing is that you enjoy it, and appreciate it, otherwise why are you listening to it?
Music is sound, not the politics surrounding it, who cares what you call it, the most important thing is that you enjoy it, and appreciate it, otherwise why are you listening to it?
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:29 pm
It's all about the music 
In the end of the day we all just gonna buy and support the music and the producers we feel, call it whatever u want.
Too much beef and theory, more work please.
Peace
In the end of the day we all just gonna buy and support the music and the producers we feel, call it whatever u want.
Too much beef and theory, more work please.
Peace
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:52 pm
Fact and I regret this forum is getting a specialist in this hairsplitting conversations.Paulie wrote:I think it's a good thing that no-one has tried to "lock off" dubstep. The fact that new people can get in easily keeps it fresh, keeps eveyone on their toes.
I'd like to add just one thing to this dead-beaten horse:
go find a friend (male/female) that knows quite a bit of music and is familiar with most common genres like house, techno, electro, d&b, ... but is not into dubstep yet. Make them listen to a random Skream track and a random toasty/distance/whatever track. Then try to explain the difference and watch their facial expression. Consequently, you might also realise what bollocks all this is about.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:30 pm
difference is dubstep draws from lots of of different roots unlike reggae, as it takes from reggae, world music hardcore roots etc, so really like most dance music its just another progression you couldn't really say its the roots of anything, its just more popular in lahndon cos thats where the phrase got coined/where the first artists started making that sound, like jungle is 'rooted' to brizzol, but then the canadian jungle is where is at at the mo is what i herd.missused wrote:seckle wrote: point was that dubstep is rooted in london, like reggae in jamaica,
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:43 pm
on a side note, i reckon we need to split this forum up to make it all a bit more bearable, how about general, offtopic, mixes, production and pointless bitching about what dupstep is/arrogant philisophies on why you can be rude to people you dont know/general flaming, that way the people who are more into the music then the internet scene you're trying to create can avoid these pointless conversations.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:48 pm
don't think the forum is big enough yet, doesn't move fast enough to justify it.fubar wrote:on a side note, i reckon we need to split this forum up to make it all a bit more bearable, how about general, offtopic, mixes, production and pointless bitching about what dupstep is/arrogant philisophies on why you can be rude to people you dont know/general flaming, that way the people who are more into the music then the internet scene you're trying to create can avoid these pointless conversations.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:59 pm
U know what we all need to do? Get the dubstep selections out and put them headphones on.
"99 plus one UNNAMEABLE"
This forums bad for your spirituals
Not everyone in this thread is bitchin mate. In fact I'd say that you're bitchin more than me!!!DJ $hy wrote:Get a life you lot
Spend this time in the studio rather that chatting shit on hear.
Its getting really annyoying having to troll through your shit just to get to points.
ALSO
It seems like EVERY thread you lot fight on is getting hijacked now, I dont come here to listen to your bitching.
Its all love though. I jus wanna separate myself off from the bull that's all.
And yea Shy it's all about workin in the lab and jus expressin it bro- I agree.
And to the rest of you it's all about being fans of the music and lettin it take ya
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:11 pm
Don't you think Youngsta's doing that a bit, only playing tunes by Mystikz, Loefah, D1 and Skream?Paulie wrote:I think it's a good thing that no-one has tried to "lock off" dubstep. The fact that new people can get in easily keeps it fresh, keeps eveyone on their toes.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:20 pm
I see that as just a DJ having his own sound.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:04 pm
Was the point of this thread to get everyone to start arguing about this AGAIN??
Chrissake people.
Chrissake people.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:39 pm
I really don't think that is true at all...i have many friends that have been DJ'ing and producing music of all types, electro, techno d&b etc...i started playing them the early Tempa stuff back in 2001/2002...compare that to the sound now esp the so called 'break step' and there is a massive difference and people who have never listened to the sound before CAN notice the difference... the usual answer round my neck of the woods is that the 'breakstep' stuff sounds like 'slowed down d&b' and the dubstep sounds different and more minimal...m9918868 wrote:Fact and I regret this forum is getting a specialist in this hairsplitting conversations.Paulie wrote:I think it's a good thing that no-one has tried to "lock off" dubstep. The fact that new people can get in easily keeps it fresh, keeps eveyone on their toes.
I'd like to add just one thing to this dead-beaten horse:
go find a friend (male/female) that knows quite a bit of music and is familiar with most common genres like house, techno, electro, d&b, ... but is not into dubstep yet. Make them listen to a random Skream track and a random toasty/distance/whatever track. Then try to explain the difference and watch their facial expression. Consequently, you might also realise what bollocks all this is about.
I don't think a distinction between the two is that good and idea but it will happen as the they are two different sounds and i dont think anyone can deny that...
As for subfora - i think that would be a good idea - i konw pete bubonic said we werent big enough - but i think a separate section for radio shows and mixes would free up the general forum space for chat rather than advertising and self promotion...
Just my 2c...i know it;s a dead horse!!!
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:11 pm
yup but don't think reggae came out of a vacuum - everything depends on what came before it, to a certain extent. don't know that i'd call dubstep 'world music' tho - all a bit andy kershaw for my liking. i think basically the music can mean whatever you want it to in the context you're in. s'all up 2 u. anyways the original thread that kicked all this off was really more about manners than anything else. I do think you can have legit debates about the roots/make-up of dubstep without necessarily having to worry about if this makes it difficult to push the tunes in nyc. NO disrespect to seckle and all man doing this at all - respect is overly due, it's just a separate area of debate.fubar wrote:missused wrote:difference is dubstep draws from lots of of different roots unlike reggae, as it takes from reggae, world music hardcore roots etc, so really like most dance music its just another progression you couldn't really say its the roots of anything, its just more popular in lahndon cos thats where the phrase got coined/where the first artists started making that sound, like jungle is 'rooted' to brizzol, but then the canadian jungle is where is at at the mo is what i herd.seckle wrote: point was that dubstep is rooted in london, like reggae in jamaica,
all out of philosophy, having said that. long tings. mo pressing concerns - rinsessions on the 28th innit.....
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:38 pm
^yea man, I just kind of meant that its different because dubstep draws from all sorts with samples, rhythms melodies used, like dubby basslines or distances ethnic instruyment samples etc. Whilst styles like reggae come from one place and one progression, dubstep is all over the place so you couldnt really say its totally rooted from anywhere although the name was, its still a different thing tho.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:01 pm
let's say a promoter in toronto, for example, decides to book skream and slaughter mob on the same night in the same venue. what name should be used to promote his night to let's say a local radio station?
if you want to bring in new people to this sound we love, precipitating further drama and politricks is only going to setback this scene's progress further and keep it localized to the uk.
if you want to bring in new people to this sound we love, precipitating further drama and politricks is only going to setback this scene's progress further and keep it localized to the uk.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:04 pm
no drama. no politics. big up toronto an all radio man dem. etc. m'wah...seckle wrote:let's say a promoter in toronto, for example, decides to book skream and slaughter mob on the same night in the same venue. what name should be used to promote his night to let's say a local radio station?
if you want to bring in new people to this sound we love, precipitating further drama and politricks is only going to setback this scene's progress further and keep it localized to the uk.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:13 pm
seckle wrote:let's say a promoter in toronto, for example, decides to book skream and slaughter mob on the same night in the same venue. what name should be used to promote his night to let's say a local radio station?
if you want to bring in new people to this sound we love, precipitating further drama and politricks is only going to setback this scene's progress further and keep it localized to the uk.
goatstep.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:33 pm
"unlive polyglot-glocalist riddimachine spectacle (uk)" - i've already printed up the flyers.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:12 pm
hopefully with due consideration to appropriate design aesthetic...autonomic wrote:"unlive polyglot-glocalist riddimachine spectacle (uk)" - i've already printed up the flyers.
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:51 pm
Well, I tried it two weekends ago with some friends (no dj's, vj's though) and they were literally looking like I went peanuts. Probably because I am not able to bring the point convincingly -as I think the whole distinction is bollocks and I can't be arsed with it. Furthermore I also have to admit that I let them hear quite recent tracks and I can understand that with old tempa stuff there is a clear difference.Zefa wrote: I really don't think that is true at all...i have many friends that have been DJ'ing and producing music of all types, electro, techno d&b etc...i started playing them the early Tempa stuff back in 2001/2002...compare that to the sound now esp the so called 'break step' and there is a massive difference and people who have never listened to the sound before CAN notice the difference... the usual answer round my neck of the woods is that the 'breakstep' stuff sounds like 'slowed down d&b' and the dubstep sounds different and more minimal...
But then there is also a huge difference between loefah's new work and this early pioneering. This world evolves and apparently so does dubstep, like it or not. I like to hope that dubstep will have an inclusive evolution. If others don't, fine, we'll know the result in a couple of years. Now please, may this forum evolve as well?
Anyway, that were my last words on this subject.