Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:26 pm
"If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman
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i'm glad you agreed democracy is based on faulty methods.Magma wrote:Yeah, totally. Common problem of logistics really... we're not as good as someone like Switzerland, but even they can't give the people all the choices directly. The best we can do is educate our answers to the one statement we get to make sure it best represents our own views by reading leaflets, manifestos, the news and the like... you'll never see an MP that perfectly represents your views without running to be an MP yourself, though!alien pimp wrote:yet democracy is based on people summing up their views is one statement, known as the elections/referendum resultMagma wrote:people's views are just too complex to sum up in one statement...
there's more examples than that, but this one is basic
True. All depends on how you personally define all those criteria!alien pimp wrote:the best you can think of it's not good enough for most people on this planet, and for sure in the year 2009 it's not the best out there
for sure acting positive can't mean working for somebody that's acting negative, nor being reactionary and supporting an establishment that's acting negative
Firky wrote:Meh, anyone who is older enough to remember the poll tax riots or the miner's strike will know this kind of thing happens all the time with the police.
People, let's keep some perspective here . . .
Even madder still, some have talked about the policing that led to the Tomlinson incident in the same breath as the ‘policing’ of the miners’ strike in 1984-85 (4). Yet there’s little comparison between the state’s declaration of all-out war against a section of the working classes and the chaotic situation in which a man with a drinking problem had a heart attack in London on 1 April. Others have said the ‘killing of Tomlinson’ is ‘just like Jean Charles de Menezes’, the Brazilian electrician shot to death by police in the aftermath of the failed 21/7 bombings in 2005 (5). But aside from both incidents being followed by initially misleading police press statements, there is no crossover between the rough pushing of Tomlinson and the shooting of seven bullets into de Menezes’ head.
And the link for the whole article :
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php? ... icle/6542/
that man was my friends step dad, fucking police are wankers. the man was doing fuck all wrong. rip brotherAltered State wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7988828.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7988828.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7988828.stm
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Woo, go british police.
He wasn't even protesting according to this....
What has the RCP's skeleton got to do with anything?sang-froid wrote:Firky wrote:Meh, anyone who is older enough to remember the poll tax riots or the miner's strike will know this kind of thing happens all the time with the police.
People, let's keep some perspective here . . .
Even madder still, some have talked about the policing that led to the Tomlinson incident in the same breath as the ‘policing’ of the miners’ strike in 1984-85 (4). Yet there’s little comparison between the state’s declaration of all-out war against a section of the working classes and the chaotic situation in which a man with a drinking problem had a heart attack in London on 1 April. Others have said the ‘killing of Tomlinson’ is ‘just like Jean Charles de Menezes’, the Brazilian electrician shot to death by police in the aftermath of the failed 21/7 bombings in 2005 (5). But aside from both incidents being followed by initially misleading police press statements, there is no crossover between the rough pushing of Tomlinson and the shooting of seven bullets into de Menezes’ head.
And the link for the whole article :
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php? ... icle/6542/
A proper harnessing of future technology could provide a more "borg" like existance - is that what you mean? I don't know if I like the idea of that... I haven't really contemplated it that hard. I'm of the opinion that we're better off living in a modern society where we can build massive constructions and organisations like hospitals, schools, laboratories, factories etc rather than have everyone scrabbling around in the dirt in small hunter/gatherer groups - which is, don't forget, the natural state of human existance without all of the pesky societal structures that you don't like. Society will hopefully be able to produce structures that provide more and more input for it's citizens - but only if those citizens are actively pushing in that direction (rather than dropping out of the system).alien pimp wrote:when something harms more people than it helps, that's a bad thing regardless any personal views on it. the various forms of the same crap experienced by humanity today finds the planet populated by a large majority of unhappy people
as i said many times, what i think is irrelevant, what i can prove is relevant. but since my views and my person seem to matter to you a lot, i'll say i fancy constitutional republic a lot more, from what's been rinsed so far.
but the best out there is the sum of all ideas and experiences that make a lot of sense to improve people's life. that maybe doesn't have yet a name. neither did many things before they became common knowledge
Confused by what exactly . . . .?Firky wrote:What has the RCP's skeleton got to do with anything?sang-froid wrote:Firky wrote:Meh, anyone who is older enough to remember the poll tax riots or the miner's strike will know this kind of thing happens all the time with the police.
People, let's keep some perspective here . . .
Even madder still, some have talked about the policing that led to the Tomlinson incident in the same breath as the ‘policing’ of the miners’ strike in 1984-85 (4). Yet there’s little comparison between the state’s declaration of all-out war against a section of the working classes and the chaotic situation in which a man with a drinking problem had a heart attack in London on 1 April. Others have said the ‘killing of Tomlinson’ is ‘just like Jean Charles de Menezes’, the Brazilian electrician shot to death by police in the aftermath of the failed 21/7 bombings in 2005 (5). But aside from both incidents being followed by initially misleading police press statements, there is no crossover between the rough pushing of Tomlinson and the shooting of seven bullets into de Menezes’ head.
And the link for the whole article :
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php? ... icle/6542/
Agreed.Firky wrote:What has the RCP's skeleton got to do with anything?sang-froid wrote:Firky wrote:Meh, anyone who is older enough to remember the poll tax riots or the miner's strike will know this kind of thing happens all the time with the police.
People, let's keep some perspective here . . .
Even madder still, some have talked about the policing that led to the Tomlinson incident in the same breath as the ‘policing’ of the miners’ strike in 1984-85 (4). Yet there’s little comparison between the state’s declaration of all-out war against a section of the working classes and the chaotic situation in which a man with a drinking problem had a heart attack in London on 1 April. Others have said the ‘killing of Tomlinson’ is ‘just like Jean Charles de Menezes’, the Brazilian electrician shot to death by police in the aftermath of the failed 21/7 bombings in 2005 (5). But aside from both incidents being followed by initially misleading police press statements, there is no crossover between the rough pushing of Tomlinson and the shooting of seven bullets into de Menezes’ head.
And the link for the whole article :
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php? ... icle/6542/
agreed with what exactly . . .?tr0tsky wrote:Agreed.Firky wrote:What has the RCP's skeleton got to do with anything?sang-froid wrote:Firky wrote:Meh, anyone who is older enough to remember the poll tax riots or the miner's strike will know this kind of thing happens all the time with the police.
People, let's keep some perspective here . . .
Even madder still, some have talked about the policing that led to the Tomlinson incident in the same breath as the ‘policing’ of the miners’ strike in 1984-85 (4). Yet there’s little comparison between the state’s declaration of all-out war against a section of the working classes and the chaotic situation in which a man with a drinking problem had a heart attack in London on 1 April. Others have said the ‘killing of Tomlinson’ is ‘just like Jean Charles de Menezes’, the Brazilian electrician shot to death by police in the aftermath of the failed 21/7 bombings in 2005 (5). But aside from both incidents being followed by initially misleading police press statements, there is no crossover between the rough pushing of Tomlinson and the shooting of seven bullets into de Menezes’ head.
And the link for the whole article :
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php? ... icle/6542/
tr0tsky wrote:Asking what the heck Spiked has to do with anything.
It's crap and run by a bunch of nutjobs.
Your response to 'spiked' seems to run counter to your usual, resonably thoughtful comments on issues. Strange, and somewhat disappointing really.tr0tsky wrote:Asking what the heck Spiked has to do with anything.
It's crap and run by a bunch of nutjobs.
Confused by what exactly . . . .?[/quote]sang-froid wrote:
What has the RCP's skeleton got to do with anything?
Init. May as well pull something out of your arse insteadtr0tsky wrote:Asking what the heck Spiked has to do with anything.
It's crap and run by a bunch of nutjobs.