Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:20 pm
whoa buddy easy..how about you fuck off...Blunt-DMO wrote:notch how about fo you trolling idiot
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:22 am
Ableton kills...
It's almost too easy to write in. "For me," it's the quickest way to get ideas from my head to my daw.
Mixing in the session view is so fun, and no other daw's come close to being able to arrange or remix all parts of your song live, on the fly. I find combination's that I would never think of using a traditional sequencer. It's basically a sequencing instrument.
I do however find my mixes to be a little quieter than I like...
I have never used FL Studio, but have friends that love it, and make some really good tunes. I think it looks fun for drum programming for sure.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to the user, and what you are looking to get out of your daw...
"Stop hatin' and just make music..."
ez all
It's almost too easy to write in. "For me," it's the quickest way to get ideas from my head to my daw.
Mixing in the session view is so fun, and no other daw's come close to being able to arrange or remix all parts of your song live, on the fly. I find combination's that I would never think of using a traditional sequencer. It's basically a sequencing instrument.
I do however find my mixes to be a little quieter than I like...
I have never used FL Studio, but have friends that love it, and make some really good tunes. I think it looks fun for drum programming for sure.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to the user, and what you are looking to get out of your daw...
"Stop hatin' and just make music..."
ez all
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:47 am
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:49 am
really is this, and nothing elseThe Herbalist wrote:At the end of the day I think it comes down to the user, and what you are looking to get out of your daw...
shit, i still use buzz for 80% of what we do (processing/initial melodies/etc) before we take it into reaper for the final polish and tweaks
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:52 pm
pretty much 
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:15 pm
My 2 centz.
The reason why people hate FL Studio is because every beginner uses it. And the reason for that is that it is easy to use. The hard thing about any DAW is learning what the buttons do. You need to get one and experiment. FL or Ableton, you still need to know about ADSR envelopes, routing effects, and all the good stuff. Almost all DAW's do the same thing, so what you know on one you can transfer to another, the only thing is figuring out how the other program goes about it.
People move on from their original DAW's to try others but it is what you are more comfortable with. Don't try to learn 2 at a time. That will only frustrate you. That happened to me and i gave up on doing music cause it was too confusing. Then I found tutorials. Now you can look on youtube for easy programing.
I started with FL then did Reason 3, did not enjoy the workflow of the sequencer since I was used to the one on FL. Went back to FL and rewired reason. Now I use both and it's what works for me. In Reason 4 the sequencer is much better and I can do songs on reason alone.
Just try one and stick to it for a while till you get comfortable with software.
The reason why people hate FL Studio is because every beginner uses it. And the reason for that is that it is easy to use. The hard thing about any DAW is learning what the buttons do. You need to get one and experiment. FL or Ableton, you still need to know about ADSR envelopes, routing effects, and all the good stuff. Almost all DAW's do the same thing, so what you know on one you can transfer to another, the only thing is figuring out how the other program goes about it.
People move on from their original DAW's to try others but it is what you are more comfortable with. Don't try to learn 2 at a time. That will only frustrate you. That happened to me and i gave up on doing music cause it was too confusing. Then I found tutorials. Now you can look on youtube for easy programing.
I started with FL then did Reason 3, did not enjoy the workflow of the sequencer since I was used to the one on FL. Went back to FL and rewired reason. Now I use both and it's what works for me. In Reason 4 the sequencer is much better and I can do songs on reason alone.
Just try one and stick to it for a while till you get comfortable with software.
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:25 am
thanks to everybody who offered input on this thread.
i actually decided to go with reason 4 after playing around mainly with fl studio, orion, renoise, reason and ableton. i choose reason because the interface of it and the way you chain devices together just seemed to click with me naturally. i haven't dug too deep into the sequencer yet (actually i don't have a MIDI controller yet so all my basslines have been done on the matrix) but it seems pretty cool.
in regards to how software initially compares to hardware, what i'm used to, it absolutely kills it in terms of "bang for your buck". i've probably dropped nearly 3 grand on hardware and in terms of what i've previously bought and comparing it to reason it is amazing. i did some "research" here on what peoples thoughts on reason were (basically by using the search button..) and a lot of people have the opinion that reason is terribly underpowered. maybe it's just that i'm new to software and reasons flaws haven't presented themselves to me yet, or maybe i'm just way behind the times, but i think for the price reason offers so much.
i'm really digging the simplicity of the redrum and the matrix (i sometimes prefer to use step sequencers to program things), i like all 3 synths, although i haven't really tried thor much and i think the fx, especially scream, are dope.
another thing i like is that i can have so much happening in reason without having my computer explode. i noticed while using the fl studio demo that if i applied a lot of fx to different instruments sometimes things would start to get choppy. if i had a better computer i'm sure this wouldn't happen though.
the only thing that pisses me off bad about reason is the fact that recycle isn't built into the program and that rebirth isn't built in either. now there are obviously better 303 emulations on the market and you can get a 303 esque sound from thor or the subtractor, but half the sound of the 303 is the sequencer, and that's why i think rebirth is better for that "sound" than the subtractor/thor coupled with a matrix.
on the topic of VSTs it is obviously annoying that reason doesn't support them and the most disheartening thing is that there are so many niche and weird VSTs out there. i think reason is just your standard "all in one" studio. everything is kind of normal. but there are lots of weird FX and softsynths out there, lots of cool freeware stuff, that i can't use now.
other than that though i think that reason is great. i cannot believe i have been sleeping on software for so long. obviously hardware offers a nicer sound quality (mostly for things like the machinedrum, or actual analog gear) but my stuff isn't being played on the radio anyway so i don't care.
i actually decided to go with reason 4 after playing around mainly with fl studio, orion, renoise, reason and ableton. i choose reason because the interface of it and the way you chain devices together just seemed to click with me naturally. i haven't dug too deep into the sequencer yet (actually i don't have a MIDI controller yet so all my basslines have been done on the matrix) but it seems pretty cool.
in regards to how software initially compares to hardware, what i'm used to, it absolutely kills it in terms of "bang for your buck". i've probably dropped nearly 3 grand on hardware and in terms of what i've previously bought and comparing it to reason it is amazing. i did some "research" here on what peoples thoughts on reason were (basically by using the search button..) and a lot of people have the opinion that reason is terribly underpowered. maybe it's just that i'm new to software and reasons flaws haven't presented themselves to me yet, or maybe i'm just way behind the times, but i think for the price reason offers so much.
i'm really digging the simplicity of the redrum and the matrix (i sometimes prefer to use step sequencers to program things), i like all 3 synths, although i haven't really tried thor much and i think the fx, especially scream, are dope.
another thing i like is that i can have so much happening in reason without having my computer explode. i noticed while using the fl studio demo that if i applied a lot of fx to different instruments sometimes things would start to get choppy. if i had a better computer i'm sure this wouldn't happen though.
the only thing that pisses me off bad about reason is the fact that recycle isn't built into the program and that rebirth isn't built in either. now there are obviously better 303 emulations on the market and you can get a 303 esque sound from thor or the subtractor, but half the sound of the 303 is the sequencer, and that's why i think rebirth is better for that "sound" than the subtractor/thor coupled with a matrix.
on the topic of VSTs it is obviously annoying that reason doesn't support them and the most disheartening thing is that there are so many niche and weird VSTs out there. i think reason is just your standard "all in one" studio. everything is kind of normal. but there are lots of weird FX and softsynths out there, lots of cool freeware stuff, that i can't use now.
other than that though i think that reason is great. i cannot believe i have been sleeping on software for so long. obviously hardware offers a nicer sound quality (mostly for things like the machinedrum, or actual analog gear) but my stuff isn't being played on the radio anyway so i don't care.