Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:04 am
dj ld wrote:Whats the point of building nice warm sounding soundsystems for people to use fucking serato on?
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:44 am
Yeah KM V Headhunter would of been dank. I was going to go to both.Malik wrote:Its a shame really because i could have gone too subdub the night before and from now on i'll prolly end up just stickign too it as its always going to be a quality night there but other smaller nights tend to sometimes have an artist i want to see [like 16bit and bar9 on the night in question].
I guess it might just come down to doing a bit of background before going out too a night, which is a bit off a pisstake.
Did Bar9 ever turn up on sunday btw?
Data next week will make up.
Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:05 am
Exodus 24/4/09EFA wrote:Interesting, when was that?adisize wrote:Loefah was playing on Iration Steppas using serato.. sounded good to me!dj ld wrote:Whats the point of building nice warm sounding soundsystems for people to use fucking serato on?
Seriously djld, Plastician plays on Serato standard and he destroyed iration and it sounded fine.
Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:25 pm
It is soul destroying to turn up somewhere and the sound is shite or even decent but heavily limited, its really frustrating when a system does not translate the drop of tune or eaqually when there is other missing frequencies its not just about bass. theres also a big difference between a club pa and a soundsystem. with regards to serato, we use traktor skratch as well as vinyl and were recently testing cut dubplates against wav versions and one thing was clear, the only audiable difference over the soundsystem when the dubplate was synced with skratch was the bass was rolled off slightly on the dub. this has to be done for mastering for vinyl do the nature of cutting dubs or laquers-no big deal and you wouldnt notice unless you compared, but just to make a point, also you dont get bass rumble from skratch and you can play a track you have just finished hours before, it sure dont smell like dubs tho! on the subject of warmth, when on a rig ins not just a vinyl that adds it..
Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:52 pm
ruckspin wrote:either the venue should sort out its soundsystem (and engineers for that matter), or the promoter should be willing to fork out a decent wedge for a big rig... (or go elsewhere)
Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:05 pm
trust me soundsystem for data will be ON POINT...gwa wrote: Data next week will make up.
Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:54 pm
It best be, Data always brings the riddems.
Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:13 pm
Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:19 pm
Serato bashers once again.
Only the trained ear will be able to tell you what the difference in sound really is.
Serato is not to blame for people red lining systems. If a DJ using Serato sounds horrible then that is down to the DJ.
Keep it under the red.
Boost the bass slightly.
Keep the tops just below the midrange.
Take the pitch lock setting off (if you are playing on a very large system sometimes you hear digital crossover on the low frequencies which causes a slight loss of bass).
When cueing your first track, test the gain against the sound of the vinyl on the opposite deck - match them up.
If you do all the above your set will sound the same as vinyl.
Stop bashing Serato. You are all beginning to sound like old men talking about the war and how things were "in my day". I used to cut 5 dubs a week before a great deal of people even knew where to cut one, there is nothing wrong with change - everything evolves, just as Serato and the digital revolution is always evolving.
People should be happy that companies developing these digital technologies are even paying attention to the fact that people enjoy spinning vinyl and give us a digital alternative that takes nothing away from the pleasure of using a set of Technics 1210's.
I love vinyl, but I also love not forking out 75% of my weekly income on dubplates and records which is why I moved to serato in the first place.
Back to the subject.
Shit systems are annoying. Promoters who put dubstep on in these conditions have clearly never been to a dubstep night before. Beware of the bandwagon promoters.... when they tell you they've got a gig lined up for you at funky buddha or china whites, alarm bells should be ringing.
Only the trained ear will be able to tell you what the difference in sound really is.
Serato is not to blame for people red lining systems. If a DJ using Serato sounds horrible then that is down to the DJ.
Keep it under the red.
Boost the bass slightly.
Keep the tops just below the midrange.
Take the pitch lock setting off (if you are playing on a very large system sometimes you hear digital crossover on the low frequencies which causes a slight loss of bass).
When cueing your first track, test the gain against the sound of the vinyl on the opposite deck - match them up.
If you do all the above your set will sound the same as vinyl.
Stop bashing Serato. You are all beginning to sound like old men talking about the war and how things were "in my day". I used to cut 5 dubs a week before a great deal of people even knew where to cut one, there is nothing wrong with change - everything evolves, just as Serato and the digital revolution is always evolving.
People should be happy that companies developing these digital technologies are even paying attention to the fact that people enjoy spinning vinyl and give us a digital alternative that takes nothing away from the pleasure of using a set of Technics 1210's.
I love vinyl, but I also love not forking out 75% of my weekly income on dubplates and records which is why I moved to serato in the first place.
Back to the subject.
Shit systems are annoying. Promoters who put dubstep on in these conditions have clearly never been to a dubstep night before. Beware of the bandwagon promoters.... when they tell you they've got a gig lined up for you at funky buddha or china whites, alarm bells should be ringing.
Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:44 pm
Out to the scientific method!MungosHiFi wrote:with regards to serato, we use traktor skratch as well as vinyl and were recently testing cut dubplates against wav versions and one thing was clear, the only audiable difference over the soundsystem when the dubplate was synced with skratch was the bass was rolled off slightly on the dub.
Speaking of soundsystems, Highness in Nottingham deserve props - not as big as some but big enough to make your trousers flap in a small room, and lovely sounding.
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:28 am
plastician, how big of a difference do you think .wav vs 320 mp3 makes on a big rig?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:05 pm
Bumpage.TNT wrote:whenever i've done a dance soundsystem is always the first thing i sort.
IMO its one of, if not the most important thing
If your playing dubstep to people, play it how its supposed to be played..
the feeling of the bass is what makes dubstep so great, u can feel it aswell as hear it..[/i]
When you done your first dances, what soundsystems were you using ?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:12 pm
a round of applause for a brilliantly ill educated opinion over here please garcón!dj ld wrote:Whats the point of building nice warm sounding soundsystems for people to use fucking serato on?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:27 pm
Ever set up and teched a 100k watt sound system before?
Major pet peeve of a veteran sound tech:
DJs who think turning it up to 11 on the mixer is going to make it sound ravey. If you turn it down at the mixer, and I turn it up at the amps, thats when the pants leg shaking bass will occur. If you turn it up at the mixer, you get that wonderful natural compression sound and everyone thinks the sound guy is limiting the sound.
If the DJ is disciplined enough to keep the sound just going into the yellow, the sound guy can crank it up at the amp, which actually has the power to push the voice coils in the speaker to create that ravey bass everyone has grown to love.
1 in 10 DJs understand this concept, at best.
Major pet peeve of a veteran sound tech:
DJs who think turning it up to 11 on the mixer is going to make it sound ravey. If you turn it down at the mixer, and I turn it up at the amps, thats when the pants leg shaking bass will occur. If you turn it up at the mixer, you get that wonderful natural compression sound and everyone thinks the sound guy is limiting the sound.
If the DJ is disciplined enough to keep the sound just going into the yellow, the sound guy can crank it up at the amp, which actually has the power to push the voice coils in the speaker to create that ravey bass everyone has grown to love.
1 in 10 DJs understand this concept, at best.