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bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:31 pm

I wish I could get Mike Paradinas (u-ziq - label head of Planet-Mu) in on this.

This man has been one of the first influential people in bringing dubstep to people. He relies completely on sales to bring upcoming artists to light. And then people give thanks by pirating his whole catalog. what kinda support is that?? you really love dubstep and hate the artists at the same time?

you got to take the blinders off, and realize what you're doing.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:31 pm

trading it on for something the other person had would be more chill imo (realizing here you might not have wanted my input) but seriously you're only talking about a single unit at once - digital piracy is on a completely different scale and totally circumvents material economy

sifres · Post by **sifres** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:35 pm

bass hertz wrote:
Jolly Wailer wrote:you obviously heard the music first somehow before you pirated it I dont buy that one bit
thanks what DJ's are for.

and if you have ever attempted to BUY music, you'll notice 99.9% of all releases have a sample beside the track.

First. I think the internet AND piracy have done a lot for minor labels. If it wasn't for piracy dubstep would propably only be played in 1 club in england. Either that or become fashionable in 2011. The boom of the last 2 years? Piracy! A mixtape online?? Don't forget that's also piracy mate! Producers just go along because it's essentialy promotion.

Piracy is here. It's the industry being years behind on technological developments, asking ridiculous prices for music and spending that money on marketing and big corporate buildings. Or you think Virgin is 1 guy and a laptop? They made it happen by charging 15 euro for a cd, of wich i like 1 track maybe...

Your argument for samples next to tracks? Yeah mate. For the last 2 years there has been. My first mp3 however, is dated 1999... (AFX, still have it...)

That being said. I DO buy my music. The non commercial stuff anyway. And definitely the stuff I spin @ clubs. I am happy with sites that make cash flow directly to the artist and the ease with wich you can start a net label. That's the real revolution...

And it was piracy that paved the way...

(Sorry to hear about you friend btw. That's a hard story no matter what...)

skevin · Post by **skevin** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:36 pm

Have a lot of people been fined/jailed for DOWNLOADING music and films or have the fines been given just to people who upload or "share" these files ?

I remember one woman who was fined a huge amount in America for uploading 30 cd's or something like that. How do they come to the conclusion that £xx is the right amount to fine ? Is it based on what the company thinks they have lost from uploading these files ?

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:36 pm

Jolly Wailer wrote:trading it on for something the other person had would be more chill imo (realizing here you might not have wanted my input) but seriously you're only talking about a single unit at once - digital piracy is on a completely different scale and totally circumvents material economy

haha i just wondered where seckle stood but all views good

i suppose in a sense discogs is trade...i never actually trade anything but i buy and sell loads of stuff on there...i spend all money made on there on other music...unless im having a bad month and i transfer 30 quid into my account or summit...

i suppose i would rather buy from there sometimes simply because it is cheaper but this means not 1 more sale for the label and vendor

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:37 pm

SKevin wrote:Have a lot of people been fined/jailed for DOWNLOADING music and films or have the fines been given just to people who upload or "share" these files ?

I remember one woman who was fined a huge amount in America for uploading 30 cd's or something like that. How do they come to the conclusion that £xx is the right amount to fine ? Is it based on what the company thinks they have lost from uploading these files ?

yeah they base it on every download being a missed sale. which is utter bollocks, frankly

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:43 pm

nothing says I love my wife more than sharing her with all my friends.

really... I'm promoting women.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:50 pm

A mixtape online?? Don't forget that's also piracy mate! Producers just go along because it's essentialy promotion.

the entire track isn't separated so there is still something to buy...totally different

a mixtape is the good way of getting music out there...they are posted openly where producers/labels can see and ask or removal..

I got asked to remove something once and did it straight away

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:56 pm

Sifres wrote:
bass hertz wrote:
Jolly Wailer wrote:you obviously heard the music first somehow before you pirated it I dont buy that one bit
thanks what DJ's are for.

and if you have ever attempted to BUY music, you'll notice 99.9% of all releases have a sample beside the track.
A mixtape online?? Don't forget that's also piracy mate! Producers just go along because it's essentialy promotion.

I see mixes online as something closer to promotion (like you said) than outright piracy, particularly with recorded radio shows, you get to hear the tunes for sure but you can't do much else past that, they're blended and usually have a bit of banter over the top - with studio mixes usually the DJ and producer have some kind of relationship where the producer passes tunes along to be pushed by the DJ, on the strength like ...

and its all waay before official release and before the pirates can get to it, if anything the pirates are all johnny come latelys scooping up whatever they can in complete ignorance of what the scene is all about and if anything probably has quite a bit to do with the explosion of retards on this site more than the overall popularity of the genre

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:59 pm

I know this.. the only people making real money off piracy are the chinese.

Now who the hell wants to support a bunch of commies???

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:01 pm

trotsky might

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:04 pm

Jolly Wailer wrote: and its all waay before official release and before the pirates can get to it, if anything the pirates are all johnny come latelys scooping up whatever they can in complete ignorance of what the scene is all about and if anything probably has quite a bit to do with the explosion of retards on this site more than the overall popularity of the genre

not exactly. most everything's pre'd on rip scene, and available with in hours to lame ass p2p, torrent, fxp boards, etc.

sourmp3 basically killed the whole notion of people buying digital dnb in the late 90's, and the same is with dubstep.

There are tons of people who love dubstep. More than come to this board. they dont care to post about the music but they will sure as hell leech all day off torrent sites, p2p, fservers on irc, and fxp boards.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:07 pm

as a few of you know i work for hmv and frequently hear customers saying to their mates 'don't buy it...save your money and download it instead'...this has happened with people browsing the dubstep section

i really want to shake them

adikt · Post by **adikt** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:16 pm

i'm sorry but i personally think this whole thing is absurd. i'm prolly gonna get flamed to fuck for this but fucking LOVE my Slsk & Demonoid. I seriously would not have known Dubstep existed in my little redneck town had I not been on Slsk & Demonoid dnb lists & accidentally found some slow & low shit that made fucking bounce out of my bed. Accidentally found Warp Records & StonesThrow the same way!

But thats not a valid reason for file sharing. at least its not my reason. main reason: i make original live music with a band & all of our music is freely available for anyone that fucking wants it. You'll find it on Slsk & several major torrent sites & it was put there by ME! We are working on a full length dvd & a studio album that will both be distributed in every free way possible.

in my opinion, music & money should be separate. like church & state! If i love an artist then that artist will wind up getting my money. Either i will pay to see them live & buy a 50 dollar hoody(wtf Tool?) or I will purchase the vinyl(and many after) that i know i like after already having heard & reheard what it sounds like. I trust people will do the same with my material & if this was honestly the case world-wide then there would be very few TALENTED starving artists & less crap in general. again, in my opinion...

firky · Post by **firky** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:20 pm

Too much sanctimoniousity to have a proper discussion about it. Piracy isn't B&W and anyone who says they haven't pirated music, software, films or whatever is either a liar or a fool.

Most of the music I buy (with regards to roots n dubstep) is off ebay anyway, so the money isn't going to the artist(s). And if MS aren't making a buck off me because I chipped my xbox and downloaded a couple of games, then I sleep easy at night.

If Piracy was so bad then there wouldn't be things like Myspace, Spotify etc. The 'sharing' ethos has done a lot for minor artists but granted, it's also crippled others. Again, there are arguments for piracy and arguments against it but you'll never get a proper discussion on it on a forum

Personally for me I have bought more music since the advent of broadband than I have ever done before. I can download or stream the music before I buy it and if the artist is on a small label I will make a point of buying it. Also if I download something off say slsk from someone's dubstep folder for arguments sake, I'll see what else is in there and download stuff I haven't heard or don't recognise and if I like it - I'll more than likely buy it (if I remember). I don't always buy it truth be told, my pockets aren't big enough, but I will if I like it enough.

Which is the 'good' thing about piracy, it doesn't deprive people of what they like and creates discussion and interest in something that may otherwise be very clique and small.

*shrug* so there's a flip side to everything... I remember when home-taping was a big tabboo and the fury in Melody Maker that people were recording music off Radio 1 onto some cassette

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:21 pm

Adikt wrote:..... i make original live music with a band & all of our music is freely available for anyone that fucking wants it....

good. that is your choice as an artist. But some artists value their time, and want to be compensated for it. I have to choice to d/l your music for free, and/or buy theirs. What I dont have the right to do, is steal it.

Anyone here familiar with an old document called the Ten Commandments??

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:22 pm

yeah people are just oblivious, you should play the old codger and kick em out

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:28 pm

Jolly Wailer wrote:yeah people are just oblivious, you should play the old codger and kick em out

good point. are there any people on dsf, that are older than 40, who pirate wares?

maturity has ALOT to do with personal responsibility and morality.

adikt · Post by **adikt** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:28 pm

bass hertz wrote:good. that is your choice as an artist. But some artists value their time, and want to be compensated for it. I have to choice to d/l your music for free, and/or buy theirs. What I dont have the right to do, is steal it.

Anyone here familiar with an old document called the Ten Commandments??

adikt wrote:If i love an artist then that artist will wind up getting my money

if i don't love it then i delete it from my computer & have a good laugh at the poor production quality or excessive use of auto-tune which i am then very glad i didn't waste my money on. hence the HONEST application of such a philosophy would decrease crap & increase the success of talented independents!

and the bible isnt the best thing to quote with me man...whens the last time you worked(or watched tv or listened to dubstep) on a Sunday? ok...then lets leave this at a moral discussion & separate religion from not only state, but Dubstep...hm?

firky · Post by **firky** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:29 pm

bass hertz wrote: Anyone here familiar with an old document called the Ten Commandments??

WTF??!

I think, or at least hope, that everyone here is sensible enough not to need some fabricated scripture to live by.

"eeehh if it wasn't for the ten commandments I'd be out killing and raping."

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