Overall Which Do You Think Is Better..Dubstep Or D&B?

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:31 am

abZ wrote:Personally I don't even think dubstep as we know it would exist without TUVAN THROAT SINGING. I like what dubstep is now better than what TUVAN THROAT SINGING is now but that is as far as I will go.

edit:

Check out the drop at 0.18 secs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1pcEtHI_w

INSTANT REWIND!@!!@!@

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:40 am

I have little/no knowledge of Drum & Bass, dont mind really early jungle, but I would have to say dubstep, purely because I know more about it, know more tunes and have seen it evolve over the last few years.

Although if there were more tunes like 'Clarendon' (Breakage) in D&B I would probably listen to it a whole lot more. Just all the stuff I have heard sounds too samey, also the image it represents in my head makes me not want to listen to it either, sweaty, moshy, headbanging... Just not for me.

As deepfiend says, Garage is better...

crucible12 · Post by **crucible12** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:52 am

Theyre both an equal lotta fun. Depends on my mood tbh

concept · Post by **concept** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:55 am

Both are great and you can't really ever say one is better than the other as it's just art.

What you can state is that dubstep hasn't even got close to having a back catalogue as diverse and jawdropping as jungle.

As an indicator, just compare the number of 5* albums between the two. The gulf is huge.

lil-tee · Post by **lil-tee** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:57 am

DUBSTEP.

That's why I'm here.

syhr · Post by **syhr** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:32 am

98% of drum & bass is creatively dead and has been for years. with the exception of a few producers it's just recycling what's been done before and being influenced by nothing but itself

dubstep hasn't been around as long so a historical comparison is a bit pointless, but dubstep is definitely as important as jungle was imo

(and this is coming from someone who was purely a d&b head for over a decade)

Alty · Post by **Alty** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:37 am

Reptilian wrote:Which is better Tuvan Throat Singing or Dubstep??

You mean you like Dubstep better??

Everyone on www.tuvanthroatsingingforum.com put Dubstep straight away without me even having to pointlessly go on about how Dubstep was better

Come on surely some of you people prefer the melodious yet mildly sinister overtones of a Tuvan throat singer? ?

It's been going for a lot longer..

Damn, the link didn't work

morigami · Post by **morigami** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:01 pm

Prefer to mix dubstep (find it more challenging), but find it somewhat boring to dance along to.

DnB/Jungle on the other hand...just can't help but go nuts when I hear it

notez_ · Post by **notez_** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:12 pm

Dubstep and Jungle is all i need

magma · Post by **magma** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:13 pm

Argh, I clicked Dubstep because I didn't realise Jungle was included in the DnB choice.

Jungle > Dubstep > DnB

notez_ · Post by **notez_** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:14 pm

MoRiGaMi wrote:Prefer to mix dubstep (find it more challenging), but find it somewhat boring to dance along to.

DnB/Jungle on the other hand...just can't help but go nuts when I hear it

? i find it easier to mix dubstep..easy to recognise drum patterns and the bpms are always mixable..some old school jungle are completly impossible to mix because the bpms are so different e.g DJ Dexterous - Salute the king, always have to cut with the that tune

feral witchchild · Post by **feral witchchild** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:07 pm

Jungle is good. Some dnb is good. Jump-up dnb is fucking terrible.

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:33 pm

dubstep. There's more variety for a start..

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:26 pm

Difficult call for me but I'd have to go for dubstep.

Drum & Bass was the most exciting thing happening in UK music from '93 to around '97 or '98 and then tailed off pretty sharpish. There have been some good releases in the genre since then but the scene has generally lacked imagination.

Dubstep has been the most exciting thing happening in UK music for the last five years and is still producing shocking tunes on a regular basis. The way that sound has cross-pollinated with other styles means it looks like continuing to make a big contribution for years to come.

Albums-wise, dubstep wins hands down. Despite owning several hundred drum & bass 12inches I can only count four artist albums in that genre that are worth listening to all the way through (Goldie, Gerald, Photek, Plug).

For me it rarely translated to the album format mainly because the beats were so dominant that there was less room for songcraft. When you consider that Pinch, Burial, Kode 9, 2562, Martyn, Vex'd, Distance etc have all made classic albums and there are other big producers who haven't even dropped their albums yet I think the point is made.

The tricky bit comes in when you consider that dubstep wouldn't exist without drum & bass. Nor would breakcore, UK garage, the international ragga-jungle scene, bassline, breakbeat or grime. And that's before you even consider the influence of jungle rhythms on electronica, jazz and even Hip Hop.

In that sense jungle / drum & bass is the most influential style of music these islands have produced in recent decades. Which is why I listen mainly to dubstep but will always think of myself as a junglist.

wooda916 · Post by **wooda916** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:43 pm

jungle / dnb cause ive loved it longer and its still fucking sick, even though you have to dig a bit more for the good stuff.

Theres still as much variety in dnb as there is in dubstep, if not more. just look at the darkstep stuff from donny, dylan, current value, counterstrike etc and the new darker halfstep and stripped down stuff that loxy is playing and also the minimal stuff from commix, intstra:mental, breakage, rufage kru etc.

Both sounds i instantly fell in love with so its a close call but dnb edges it for me at the mo, in a couple years though, dubstep could take the lead aslong as the good stuff keeps getting made.

Theres alot of shit stuff in both genres tho...

Pada · Post by **Pada** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:50 pm

Drum and bass/jungle tbh..
For every good dubstep artist i can name I can name a jungle/dnb one and probably a few more

but really I don't care for genre's and both are good and both are bad.

morigami · Post by **morigami** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:09 pm

Notez_ wrote:
MoRiGaMi wrote:Prefer to mix dubstep (find it more challenging), but find it somewhat boring to dance along to.

DnB/Jungle on the other hand...just can't help but go nuts when I hear it
? i find it easier to mix dubstep..easy to recognise drum patterns and the bpms are always mixable..some old school jungle are completly impossible to mix because the bpms are so different e.g DJ Dexterous - Salute the king, always have to cut with the that tune

Yeah you're right on the bpm side, there's rarely more than a 5% pitch difference when I'm mixing dub. It's more a case of the 16 bar intros (or even shorter) that are in so many dubstep tunes, leaving you little time to establish the next tune's presence. Also because the snare is more constant with dnb/jungle being full-time, I find it easier to beat-match quicker. And finding double-drops on the fly seem much easier to find with dnb/jungle.

concept · Post by **concept** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:52 am

Uncle Bill wrote:Difficult call for me but I'd have to go for dubstep.

Drum & Bass was the most exciting thing happening in UK music from '93 to around '97 or '98 and then tailed off pretty sharpish. There have been some good releases in the genre since then but the scene has generally lacked imagination.

Dubstep has been the most exciting thing happening in UK music for the last five years and is still producing shocking tunes on a regular basis. The way that sound has cross-pollinated with other styles means it looks like continuing to make a big contribution for years to come.

Albums-wise, dubstep wins hands down. Despite owning several hundred drum & bass 12inches I can only count four artist albums in that genre that are worth listening to all the way through (Goldie, Gerald, Photek, Plug).

For me it rarely translated to the album format mainly because the beats were so dominant that there was less room for songcraft. When you consider that Pinch, Burial, Kode 9, 2562, Martyn, Vex'd, Distance etc have all made classic albums and there are other big producers who haven't even dropped their albums yet I think the point is made.

The tricky bit comes in when you consider that dubstep wouldn't exist without drum & bass. Nor would breakcore, UK garage, the international ragga-jungle scene, bassline, breakbeat or grime. And that's before you even consider the influence of jungle rhythms on electronica, jazz and even Hip Hop.

In that sense jungle / drum & bass is the most influential style of music these islands have produced in recent decades. Which is why I listen mainly to dubstep but will always think of myself as a junglist.

Woah. Are you kidding me? Dubstep can't touch jungle for sheer number of classic albums. You mention 7 albums by dubstep artists - and that's spread out over quite a few years now - not exactly very many.

And out of those I'd only really class the Kode9 and Burial albums as stone-cold classics. The others are alright, but seem to me to be more a collection of tracks rather than telling a story as an album should.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:03 am

^Listen to Island Noise by Geiom

Also Bass Clef's Album

Also Vex'd - DGenerate

Also Pinch - Underwater Dancehall

Serious.

concept · Post by **concept** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:07 am

Take these jungle/d&b albums as a case in point:

A Guy Called Gerald - Black Secret Technology
Torque
T Power - The Self Evident Truth of an Intuitive Mind
Alpha Omega - Journey To The Ninth Level
Goldie - Timeless
Omni Trio - Skeleton Keys
Decoder - Dissection
Marvellous Cain - Gun Talk
4 Hero - In Rough Territory
4 Hero - Parallel Universe
4 Hero - Two Pages
Jonny L - Sawtooth
Icons - Emotions With Intellect
Teebee - Black Science Labs
Klute - Casual Bodies
Photek - Modus Operandi
Polar - Still Moving
Arcon 2 - Arcon 2

Fuck me, the list just goes on and on.

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