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Can't be arsed to quote Wolf89's bit about it, but sampling and covering is completely different. Or more importantly, sampling-without-permission and covering-without-permission are quite different. Usually sampling is not done with the intention of passing on the music as your own, it's done to add to a track you've made while referencing the work or as an homage to the original music (this is more in reference to tracks that are built around the sample). In hip-hop, nobody is expecting people to believe you made that famous James Brown record the rapper is spitting on. Kind of struggling to make my point here, but i'll just say this (and it's probably an unpopular opinion) but sampling is an art-form, sly-covers-without-perimission-and-no-credit is bullshit.

idontreallygiveashit wrote:...but i'll just say this (and it's probably an unpopular opinion) but sampling is an art-form, sly-covers-without-perimission-and-no-credit is bullshit.

DJ Shadow's 'Entroducing' is a prime example. 100% samples from various records spanning years - hailed as one of the best albums of our time, and I'd tend to agree. Timeless classic - probably because despite taking a couple of years to make (I'm guessing), it actually took decades for all the parts to become available, or to be written by other artists. It's a beautiful audio collage and I, for one, fully endorse the idea of hip-hop being an art form.

kid koala > dj shadow in every way, shape and form

kidshuffle wrote:kid koala > dj shadow in every way, shape and form

Maybe sometimes but Shadow's best work is far superior to anything Kid Koala's ever done

artists like prefuse 73 and take > kid koala, dj shadow, etc. endtroducing is boring as fuck

constrobuz wrote:endtroducing is boring as fuck

this, as well as being a part of deltron 3030...

koala is also a much better dj than shadow. i saw them both within a month last year and shadow was nothing in comparison

southstar wrote:

kidshuffle wrote:kid koala > dj shadow in every way, shape and form

Maybe sometimes but Shadow's best work is far superior to anything Kid Koala's ever done

For sure, in terms of comparing back catalogues. Prefuse 73 is another level as Constrobuz fairly pointed out. So much groove and so much to say with his tunes.

DJ Krush absolutely destroys all though. Beat-making perfection, right there!

if you're talking sampling

the avalanches >>>>>

Ahem.

The best pure-samples album ever made ever.

actually now that i think about it, as cliche as it might be to say, i think burial is a real master of sampling.

Some of his stuff sounds like garbage but this EP was quality.




And lol at people in the comments calling it dubstep

southstar wrote:And lol at people in the comments calling it dubstep

Some people don't know what chillstep is even if it hits them square in the face

constrobuz wrote:actually now that i think about it, as cliche as it might be to say, i think burial is a real master of sampling.

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kidshuffle wrote:

constrobuz wrote:actually now that i think about it, as cliche as it might be to say, i think burial is a real master of sampling.

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dont really see why one would compare prefuse 73 and dj shadow tbh

as for the kid koala comparison, i really like and appreciate what kid koala does, but you have to admit the formula hasnt changed much over the years whereas dj shadow's clearly explored new directions over the last albums (directions i don't always like btw but thats besides the point)

also except for dj krush, endtroducing (which isn't even shadow's first effort) predates all the names you guys brought up by at least 3/4 years, give the guy props for showing the way

and when it comes to djing, you guys should check out the mix dj shadow made in boiler room, a lesson in digging and djing imo
extra points for the balls of steel you need to play a classic rock set in boiler room


tl,dr: i'm a dj shadow fanboy, you people are heathen

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