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just been checking the news and youtube as to what happened last night.. wow, i feel disgusted, ashamed and upset with the human race.. how could people be such utter stnuc?

LA_Boxers wrote:Tbh its all the Governments fault for not giving them a youth centre, which would obviously alleviate all this tension. Darts and pool stops stnuc looting and ruining peoples lives.

Table tennis too!

Not making excuses, obviously these people are opportunistic scumbags, but- does tend to be in all the poorest areas, should tell you something....not sure what!

The whole thing just seems insane. I actually can't believe how fast and far it has escalated and how lacking in direction it is. Shit needs to get locked down tonight before more people get hurt.

And yeah LA_Boxers, that actually might be true to an extent even though you are clearly being tongue in cheek.
It's really irritating me that some people on this forum don't see it as a major issue that needs reflection on: that we have so many broken individuals in society who are so quick to become opportunistic with violence. I'm not talking small numbers here. I'm talking about entire generations of working class kids from certain areas. That's fucked up.
I think "stupid stnuc" is a really stupid reaction because, let's face it, how normal is this kind of event? Something must be seriously wrong within the structuring of our society for so many people to be so pissed off, willing to loot or generally who just don't care because they already have nothing to lose in life.

Mr Hyde wrote:does tend to be in all the poorest areas, should tell you something....not sure what!

The schools and education in them areas and in general have failed for a few generations.

hugh wrote:

The whole thing just seems insane. I actually can't believe how fast and far it has escalated and how lacking in direction it is. Shit needs to get locked down tonight before more people get hurt.

And yeah LA_Boxers, that actually might be true to an extent even though you are clearly being tongue in cheek.
It's really irritating me that some people on this forum don't see it as a major issue that needs reflection on: that we have so many broken individuals in society who are so quick to become opportunistic with violence. I'm not talking small numbers here. I'm talking about entire generations of working class kids from certain areas. That's fucked up.
I think "stupid stnuc" is a really stupid reaction because, let's face it, how normal is this kind of event? Something must be seriously wrong within the structuring of our society for so many people to be so pissed off, willing to loot or generally who just don't care because they already have nothing to lose in life.

hotrod is jokes

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:does tend to be in all the poorest areas, should tell you something....not sure what!

The schools and education in them areas and in general have failed for a few generations.

It tells me that, IF ANYTHING, the should be rioting in Kensington and Chelsea, rather than set ablaze their own impoverished communities...stupid stnuc.

more police were deployed in certain wealthier areas to avert riots according to some guy on the news...

How is trashing your own area anything but being a stupid tnuc? Yeah there are certain underlying issues, but anybody can see that burning down somebodys business and endangering peoples lives isnt going to solve anything. I suppose if your sister, or gf or mother was attacked or raped that would be fine because theres underlying political issues for these people.

hugh wrote:It's really irritating me that some people on this forum don't see it as a major issue that needs reflection on

On point, Hugh, through and through.

are we gonna see

on our streets? would be fucked if so

Oh, and something tells me you lot will be paying (through taxes) for some expensive high tech American crowd control weapons in the near future. Looks like some jobs will be created through this after all.

Try peacefully assembling when you're getting hit by invisible diarrhea rays.

LA_Boxers wrote:How is trashing your own area anything but being a stupid tnuc? Yeah there are certain underlying issues, but anybody can see that burning down somebodys business and endangering peoples lives isnt going to solve anything. I suppose if your sister, or gf or mother was attacked or raped that would be fine because theres underlying political issues for these people.

are you going out of the way to blindly miss the point I made?

LA_Boxers wrote:How is trashing your own area anything but being a stupid tnuc? Yeah there are certain underlying issues, but anybody can see that burning down somebodys business and endangering peoples lives isnt going to solve anything. I suppose if your sister, or gf or mother was attacked or raped that would be fine because theres underlying political issues for these people.

That's the thing, the individuals aren't trying to solve anything or call attention to anything... it's the fact they exist that makes the point.

Explanations don't equal excuses.

nowaysj wrote:Oh, and something tells me you lot will be paying (through taxes) for some expensive high tech American crowd control weapons in the near future. Looks like some jobs will be created through this after all.

Try peacefully assembling when you're getting hit by invisible diarrhea rays.

They already have all the riot gear- football riots, n ireland etc (although not sure they have any diorreah rays yet!) Have been holding back because it might make stuff worse. Although can't see why not the water cannons yet- even just to help firefighting?

Get the feeling they might bring it out soon though, 6000 police out in london last night, 16000 tonight.

looks like some seriously fucked up shxt, keep safe ppl

nowaysj wrote:Oh, and something tells me you lot will be paying (through taxes) for some expensive high tech American crowd control weapons in the near future. Looks like some jobs will be created through this after all.

Try peacefully assembling when you're getting hit by invisible diarrhea rays.

Bit early for sensationalism and conjecture from outside our borders... our police are already horrifically well equipt for riots, they're evidently choosing to not roll out the big guns because of the whipping they've taken for using excessive force at other recent protests. One of the reasons this kicked off was because of excessive use of force. They've got access to sonic crowd-control weapons and were chastised by the public earlier this year for planning to use them.

If this goes on for another night I'd be surprised not to see the water cannons and rubber bullets/beanbag rounds start coming out. Tbh, at that point I don't think many around here would disagree... righteous indignation is so easy when it's not your friends houses that are being attacked.

LOL @ Wub

magma wrote:Bit early for sensationalism and conjecture from outside our borders... our police are already horrifically well equipt for riots, they're evidently choosing to not roll out the big guns because of the whipping they've taken for using excessive force at other recent protests. One of the reasons this kicked off was because of excessive use of force. They've got access to sonic crowd-control weapons and were chastised by the public earlier this year for planning to use them.

Batter a few crusty hippy types at the G20 protests, but as soon as yoot start with bricks and sticks...

yea the police brought this on themselves imo

hugh wrote:

LA_Boxers wrote:How is trashing your own area anything but being a stupid tnuc? Yeah there are certain underlying issues, but anybody can see that burning down somebodys business and endangering peoples lives isnt going to solve anything. I suppose if your sister, or gf or mother was attacked or raped that would be fine because theres underlying political issues for these people.

are you going out of the way to blindly miss the point I made?

The point is your fine with everybody doing all this, so long as the government is held accountable? Yes there are failings but that doesnt give them an excuse. Say I go to Burger King and ask for no gherkins and they put gherkins in my burger, does that give me a right to then smash the shop up, phsically attack the people that work there, punish people and ruin lives of people who may feel exactly the way I do?

These people are not doing it due to their hate of the government, theyre doing it to look big, get free stuff and cause the same trouble they usually do and be more likely to get away with it.