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Post by alien pimp » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:49 am

Jah Billah wrote:Every country and state should decriminalize personal drug use, on the same ground that Argentina used:

"Each adult is free to make lifestyle decisions without the intervention of the state,"

Next, every country and state should lift bans on hemp cultivation. Hemp is a)best source of nutrition for human beings; b)best source of fibers, paper or textile; c)only plant that can be used in some 20 000 different industrial products.


Next, all countries & states should make cannabis oil, cannabis cakes or cannabis resins available to all medical patients who request it. So far this has been done in state of California, Belgium and Switzerland.Cannabis has great medicinal potential, that means that all other countries except three mentioned above, are keeping their citizens ill.


Next, all countries and state should stop arresting and molestation of persons using cannabis religiously. Im not talking about rastafarians only here. What about millions of sadhus in India? They get arrested too, for something they have been doing for at leat 5 000 years.


Next, everyone should be allowed to grow cannabis on their property without any taxation or restriction.

And last, but in reality first: all people arrested for cannabis trafficking or cultivation must be set free right NOW!
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Post by morro_e » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:44 am

Jah Billah wrote:Cannabis is medicine, yet it is illegal.

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Post by shambandito » Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:47 pm

Jah Billah wrote:Every country and state should decriminalize personal drug use, on the same ground that Argentina used:

"Each adult is free to make lifestyle decisions without the intervention of the state,"

Next, every country and state should lift bans on hemp cultivation. Hemp is a)best source of nutrition for human beings; b)best source of fibers, paper or textile; c)only plant that can be used in some 20 000 different industrial products.


Next, all countries & states should make cannabis oil, cannabis cakes or cannabis resins available to all medical patients who request it. So far this has been done in state of California, Belgium and Switzerland.Cannabis has great medicinal potential, that means that all other countries except three mentioned above, are keeping their citizens ill.


Next, all countries and state should stop arresting and molestation of persons using cannabis religiously. Im not talking about rastafarians only here. What about millions of sadhus in India? They get arrested too, for something they have been doing for at leat 5 000 years.


Next, everyone should be allowed to grow cannabis on their property without any taxation or restriction.

And last, but in reality first: all people arrested for cannabis trafficking or cultivation must be set free right NOW!
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Post by dreamizm » Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:21 pm

U lot kno abt Codex Alimentarius? (and the suspected forthcoming regulation of herbs and supplements)

In terms of medicinal herbs it's probably the antithesis of what most of u are saying...
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Post by alien pimp » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:07 pm

dreamizm wrote:U lot kno abt Codex Alimentarius? (and the suspected forthcoming regulation of herbs and supplements)

In terms of medicinal herbs it's probably the antithesis of what most of u are saying...
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Post by direwolf » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:11 pm

they just legalized the growing of industrial hemp in Oregon in the us

baby steps but atleast we are heading in the right direction

michigan just passed a medi bill last year too

lets hope my state is next

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Post by bandshell » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:15 pm

Jah Billah wrote:Every country and state should decriminalize personal drug use, on the same ground that Argentina used:

"Each adult is free to make lifestyle decisions without the intervention of the state,"

Next, every country and state should lift bans on hemp cultivation. Hemp is a)best source of nutrition for human beings; b)best source of fibers, paper or textile; c)only plant that can be used in some 20 000 different industrial products.


Next, all countries & states should make cannabis oil, cannabis cakes or cannabis resins available to all medical patients who request it. So far this has been done in state of California, Belgium and Switzerland.Cannabis has great medicinal potential, that means that all other countries except three mentioned above, are keeping their citizens ill.


Next, all countries and state should stop arresting and molestation of persons using cannabis religiously. Im not talking about rastafarians only here. What about millions of sadhus in India? They get arrested too, for something they have been doing for at leat 5 000 years.


Next, everyone should be allowed to grow cannabis on their property without any taxation or restriction.

And last, but in reality first: all people arrested for cannabis trafficking or cultivation must be set free right NOW!
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Post by ohmydays » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:18 pm

jduffy wrote:
You say it isn't getting stronger just there is more THC in the plants? Doesn't that mean they are stonger.

Every generation a plant will either get better or worse, seeds can come from any generation plant which obviously gets stronger each time if it is done properly.

also the cannabaniods do not send you crazy the THC does, and people arn't striving to get rid of the CBD just to get more of everything.

Like I said weed is bad for you, but so is everything else.


the focus on decrimalizing it would be to put it in the governments hands, to end the drug war and regulate the substances that are currently unregulated and could do serious harm to people.

you also right on the this isn't full of facts part, buy hey this is the internet right? But I still try keep to the facts in my posts

Did you read my post or just brush over it, the cannaboids CBDs contain anti-psychotic properties, which prevents craziness, THC is over-used by those with a genetic predisposition can lead to different mental problems.

My point is growers are striving for less CBD s simply as a by-product of trying to squeeze as much THC out of the strain as possible.

When you say people are trying to get more of everything, what do you actually mean, because obviously growers are looking for plants to have as much resin as possible, but this depends heavily on environmental factors as oppossed to the strain.

This is my point cannabis is not bad for you, unless we are saying bad for you in the sense that everything is bad for you. cannabis is actually medicinal for over 200 problems genetic mental all sorts and IMHO can benefit almost everyone on the planet if used correctly.

I think you need to do a little more homework before you crank out your 'facts' it seems you do not fully understand the composition of the plant, its resin glands, the effects of CBDs and THC and the effect it has on humans.

My point about strength is that people in the west think that we are so successful at creating 'deadly skunkweedz' but in fact anyone who has visited places like morroco and areas of asia know a pin head of their best hash is infinitely stronger then the plant matter that people refer to when they say 'skunk.' On a side note hashes break the resin and release the oils the heating process often used also converts more of the resin into CBDs so is more balanced and less detrimental to the mental state of the user. But still strong, tends to have more of a 'heavy' sedated type sensation.

Jamaicans also grow some very strong plants, doesn't mean they are all crazy.
Strength is relative but growers in canada UK netherlands etc. really are not pushing the boundaries of strength only failing to keep the CBD levels to balance the THC.

Western arrogance causes problems once again, much like modern medicine dismissing ancient practices that are tried and tested because the science has not caught up yet.

May have missed some of your points but can't be bothered to keep typing forever.

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Post by delta labs » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:42 pm

Its a plant for fucks sake, shouldn't even be possible to make it illegal if its natural !

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Post by parson » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:31 am

pot fights cancer, makes people happy and makes braincells regenerate.

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Post by ahier » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:22 am

pot makes you stoned and affects everyone in a variety of different ways, both positive and negative. that is all, no need to make it out to be some next saviour of humanity

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Post by morro_e » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:33 am

it actually is a cure

some people just have to have a cancer to understand that


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Post by ov3rdos3 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:09 am

Jah Billah wrote:Every country and state should decriminalize personal drug use, on the same ground that Argentina used:

"Each adult is free to make lifestyle decisions without the intervention of the state,"

Next, every country and state should lift bans on hemp cultivation. Hemp is a)best source of nutrition for human beings; b)best source of fibers, paper or textile; c)only plant that can be used in some 20 000 different industrial products.


Next, all countries & states should make cannabis oil, cannabis cakes or cannabis resins available to all medical patients who request it. So far this has been done in state of California, Belgium and Switzerland.Cannabis has great medicinal potential, that means that all other countries except three mentioned above, are keeping their citizens ill.


Next, all countries and state should stop arresting and molestation of persons using cannabis religiously. Im not talking about rastafarians only here. What about millions of sadhus in India? They get arrested too, for something they have been doing for at leat 5 000 years.


Next, everyone should be allowed to grow cannabis on their property without any taxation or restriction.

And last, but in reality first: all people arrested for cannabis trafficking or cultivation must be set free right NOW!
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Post by ohmydays » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:35 am

Jduffy i would put money on the fact i have more personal experience then you.

So let's ask if i have experience before assuming i am some kid.

You have no idea at all about this plant and are spouting misinformation, the male plant is not used to smoke because the male plant is hemp, used for food, clothes a green energy source etc. i eat hemp daily it has the perfect balance of omega 3-6 to sustain human life and is one of the best sources of food on the planet. It is one of the strongest fibres better then cotton, canvas even comes from the dutch for cannabis as it was used to make art canvases, ship ropes are normally made from the male plant aka industrial hemp. Male plant contains no resin therefore no THC/CBD

This is the myth, that what they do in morroco and pakistan is 'natural' and what we do is somehow not. Their hash often has levels of THC that are as high if not higher then 'skunk' as a resin can contain up to 100% THC where as a plant maxes out at around 30%. This arrogance about western practices perfecting strength beyond those people that practically specialize in making strong products, only difference is the levels of CBDs is increased in hash due to the process of making it (therefore less mentally unstable, hence why it is better IMO)

Are you joking? the cannaboids are not the only part that get you high hence why a women has been injected with pure THC laughed her nuts off for houses but when she received the second dose she was filled with paranoia etc. as tolerance built and there were no CBDs to balance her experience.(obviously you must take into account how strong it would be to have pure THC)

They smoke bud in jamaica so surely everyone will go crazy? NO because they grow with time and care with strains they have grown for years with good amounts of CBDs to balance the THC. Of course some western growers do this, but much is commercial and chases THC without much care for the CBDs, i believe the longer the resin glands are left to grow and cure also allows more CBDs tor replace THC.

CBDs main health benefit is the anti-psychotis properties that balance the THC so that smokers don't go loopy from occasional use, the reason you have mental problems is from abuse. smoking too regularly and no doubt skunk with high levels of THC compared to the CBDs.

THC is the molecule that causes cancer, and has the effect that gets you high the CBDs also get you a bit high but more the 'couch lock' type effect feels more narcotic and heavy,

Try some nice dark hash with plenty of CBDs, and you wouldn't be effected mentally in the same way.

Don't criticise me when you clearly do not know enough about the herb you abused and you definitely don't have as much personal experience as some here.

My comment about medicine was a sweeping one about the fact western medicine decided if you can see test something it is fine, but things like energy and the electro magnetic connection between the heart and brain is ignored, we have no energy, yet we think as sentient beings. Trying to come to terms fully with this means medicine labels you as wrong or crazy simply because it has not caught up. Did you know the heart sends 20 times more electric signals to the brain then vice versa, why if we are just physical robots? because there are two parts to every person it seems descartes (in my opinion) was right with his dualistic approach to people and it seems the pineal gland may actually be the seat of this connection as he stated, only science may or may not ever confirm this, but i won't be waiting around, ancient eastern medicine/philosophy has known much about our energy for years,
But please keep this thread about legalization, it seems you should go have a smoke and research a bit more if you want to criticise anything i have said. :lol:

Legalise and the problems with crime/cost and mental problems (due to lack of CBDs) all go away, look at canada where it is practically legal, very few problems over there.

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Post by dreamizm » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:33 pm

OhMyDays wrote:
You have no idea at all about this plant and are spouting misinformation, the male plant is not used to smoke because the male plant is hemp,




They smoke bud in jamaica so surely everyone will go crazy? NO because they grow with time and care with strains they have grown for years with good amounts of CBDs to balance the THC. Of course some western growers do this, but much is commercial and chases THC without much care for the CBDs, i believe the longer the resin glands are left to grow and cure also allows more CBDs tor replace THC.

CBDs main health benefit is the anti-psychotis properties that balance the THC so that smokers don't go loopy from occasional use, the reason you have mental problems is from abuse. smoking too regularly and no doubt skunk with high levels of THC compared to the CBDs.
So glad there is someone on this thread talkin sense.

JDuffy you shd really qualify your statements as opinion not fact, and unresearched. They do not smoke weed and they certainly don't smoke male plants in morrocco or Asia as my man pointed out. Any grower will tell you this.

Please don't make unsubstantiated generalisations in future.

There was actuallly a doc on BBC a few months ago (can't find link) about mental effects of MJ and it showed that a pharma firm in the US is actually using a CBD derivative from the plant to treat psychotic illness. They now have one of the largest growing factories in the country.

Anyone worried abt mental side-fx of MJ shd def look into the THC/CBD ratio of a specific strain.

As OhMyDays said their is a dualistic balance in man- there is also one in nature and in every plant and living thing - once you distort this balance things gets fucked quite quickly.
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Post by bandshell » Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:56 pm

OhMyDays wrote:Jduffy i would put money on the fact i have more personal experience then you.

So let's ask if i have experience before assuming i am some kid.

You have no idea at all about this plant and are spouting misinformation, the male plant is not used to smoke because the male plant is hemp, used for food, clothes a green energy source etc. i eat hemp daily it has the perfect balance of omega 3-6 to sustain human life and is one of the best sources of food on the planet. It is one of the strongest fibres better then cotton, canvas even comes from the dutch for cannabis as it was used to make art canvases, ship ropes are normally made from the male plant aka industrial hemp. Male plant contains no resin therefore no THC/CBD

This is the myth, that what they do in morroco and pakistan is 'natural' and what we do is somehow not. Their hash often has levels of THC that are as high if not higher then 'skunk' as a resin can contain up to 100% THC where as a plant maxes out at around 30%. This arrogance about western practices perfecting strength beyond those people that practically specialize in making strong products, only difference is the levels of CBDs is increased in hash due to the process of making it (therefore less mentally unstable, hence why it is better IMO)

Are you joking? the cannaboids are not the only part that get you high hence why a women has been injected with pure THC laughed her nuts off for houses but when she received the second dose she was filled with paranoia etc. as tolerance built and there were no CBDs to balance her experience.(obviously you must take into account how strong it would be to have pure THC)

They smoke bud in jamaica so surely everyone will go crazy? NO because they grow with time and care with strains they have grown for years with good amounts of CBDs to balance the THC. Of course some western growers do this, but much is commercial and chases THC without much care for the CBDs, i believe the longer the resin glands are left to grow and cure also allows more CBDs tor replace THC.

CBDs main health benefit is the anti-psychotis properties that balance the THC so that smokers don't go loopy from occasional use, the reason you have mental problems is from abuse. smoking too regularly and no doubt skunk with high levels of THC compared to the CBDs.

THC is the molecule that causes cancer, and has the effect that gets you high the CBDs also get you a bit high but more the 'couch lock' type effect feels more narcotic and heavy,

Try some nice dark hash with plenty of CBDs, and you wouldn't be effected mentally in the same way.

Don't criticise me when you clearly do not know enough about the herb you abused and you definitely don't have as much personal experience as some here.

My comment about medicine was a sweeping one about the fact western medicine decided if you can see test something it is fine, but things like energy and the electro magnetic connection between the heart and brain is ignored, we have no energy, yet we think as sentient beings. Trying to come to terms fully with this means medicine labels you as wrong or crazy simply because it has not caught up. Did you know the heart sends 20 times more electric signals to the brain then vice versa, why if we are just physical robots? because there are two parts to every person it seems descartes (in my opinion) was right with his dualistic approach to people and it seems the pineal gland may actually be the seat of this connection as he stated, only science may or may not ever confirm this, but i won't be waiting around, ancient eastern medicine/philosophy has known much about our energy for years,
But please keep this thread about legalization, it seems you should go have a smoke and research a bit more if you want to criticise anything i have said. :lol:

Legalise and the problems with crime/cost and mental problems (due to lack of CBDs) all go away, look at canada where it is practically legal, very few problems over there.
Yeah, this is why try to avoid skunk, it's unbalanced. Full of THC, barely any CBDs and tbh not that pleasant you just feel really monged and grubby.

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