Will dubstep split into new genres?

[Pistonsbeneath]

there are already a massively diversified 'scene'

shackleton sounds nothing like caspa

[lynn mc]

is it a London thing still? nope.

Londoners like to think everything was invented in London, so in a way, londoners are a bit like Americans.

but it's true on dubstep, it DID start in London. can't deny that!

[Pistonsbeneath]

is it a London thing still? nope.

Londoners like to think everything was invented in London, so in a way, londoners are a bit like Americans.

but it's true on dubstep, it DID start in London. can't deny that!

in croydon to be exact

[lynn mc]

is it a London thing still? nope.

Londoners like to think everything was invented in London, so in a way, londoners are a bit like Americans.

but it's true on dubstep, it DID start in London. can't deny that!

in croydon to be exact

Is it still big there? 2005 seems like ages ago now.

[seckle]

is it a London thing still? nope.

Londoners like to think everything was invented in London, so in a way, londoners are a bit like Americans.

but it's true on dubstep, it DID start in London. can't deny that!

in croydon to be exact

Is it still big there? 2005 seems like ages ago now.

2000-2001. get your history right.

[lynn mc]

is it a London thing still? nope.

Londoners like to think everything was invented in London, so in a way, londoners are a bit like Americans.

but it's true on dubstep, it DID start in London. can't deny that!

in croydon to be exact

Is it still big there? 2005 seems like ages ago now.

2000-2001. get your history right.

I was only 16 in 2001 :p thanks for the info though.

[Pistonsbeneath]

i put on a few nights that did well and the nights poax is putting on now are pwning mine....queues round the corner and they stopp admitting people sometimes as early as half ten due to the venue being filled...

its grown in croydon id say...this isnt necessarily indicative of good music though lol

[joe muggs]

OK this is getting going... we're still not getting many flights of the imagination though, it's still 'brostep vs garage' and that's kind of what I'm trying to get away from.

Think TEN YEARS ahead. Ten years ago, we had Groovechronicles and Zed Bias just tunring garage dark. Now we have Joker, Brackles, Breakage, Shackleton, Borgore, Untold, Ikonika, Caspa and all of that - just about - is still the descendents of those dark 1999 basslines. So go on, cut your preconceptions loose, go out on a limb, what MIGHT happen in the future? Latin-step is a good start... What about if Funky influence starts bringing live instruments? Why is dubstep still mainly about sampled voices if you hear voices? Will there be vocals? Will there be rock musicians? Will there be industrial psycho-step? Will tempos start getting variable as Ableton & CDJs get slicker and DJs can shift tempo mid track without fucking up? Will wonky-style make us used to beats that sound like Sun Ra?

[86.]

i see a lotta parallels between hip-hop & dubstep. it's crazy the rate at which dubstep has grown

[lynn mc]

wasn't there a split in 1994 with acidhouse into drumnbass or something, im quite young (24 now) so no idea what happened in 94 but an older friend was telling me. something to do with the rave scene anyway. can't be arsed to look it up but, if there have been splits in the past, no reason why one won't happen or as the elitist on this board has allready said, it's allready happened

[Pistonsbeneath]

unfortunately it will probably get slightly faster...it suits what will maybe become the dominant strain...

ala jungle turning from 155bpm to 180bpm lol

it is a more commercially viable option as well...the speed alone of dubstep means labels will want to work with it more which will be poison...

i hope we will see increasingly psychedelic productions in the future when the vaccuous generation having had kids that are rebelling against them by making music with depth have a turn

[seckle]

beats that sound like Sun Ra?

i'd love that. some sun and zodiac music.

[lynn mc]

yeah don't want it getting faster that wouldn't sound right to me.

what happened in 1994 UK though?

[seckle]

yeah don't want it getting faster that wouldn't sound right to me.

what happened in 1994 UK though?

jungle was going full steam. the lines between acid and jungle blurring was earlier...1990-1992

[Pistonsbeneath]

yeah don't want it getting faster that wouldn't sound right to me.

what happened in 1994 UK though?

well jungle happened man..out of hardcore in short....which came from acid - house...tons of samples of house tunes

it became more aggressive....people like acen had made some quite rawkus tunes but it was fun....

i like both..there was a split though...i was only 14 at the time and growing up in a christian household so never went to anything...i listened to it though

such an innocent time actually...i just didn't know or care about any split or views of what was right or wrong

[Luke Yeah?]

So go on, cut your preconceptions loose, go out on a limb, what MIGHT happen in the future?

My mates at uni today showed me some Bhangra music and i was like this is so good! The drums, the keys the everything was just so energetic and unique. The dance'ability (dont think thats even a word) of Bhangra is immense and i feel that the combination of elements of this sound with the structure of dubstep etc would be something very special indeed. This is something i would love to see

[Sharmaji]

thoughts from my perch:

as ye olde dubstep develops, the significance of that term will diminish. in 2005 dubstep meant 138 bpm and sub bass... and that was it. everything else was up for grabs. now, we've got tunes from 130 to 150, entire strains that are loud but have like zero bass in their bass, tunes that are all about the drop, tunes that have no drops...

so the world of what anyone who's got more than 10 minutes in this scene can call 'dubstep' is expanding so much that term is facing insignificance. this isn't a bad thing; end of an era maybe, sure, but it means there's space to grow. the things that got me into dubstep-- the openness of the vibe, the simple, emotive efficiency of the best tunes, the DIY aesthetic and the intense-but-not-confrontational energy at the nights-- dubstep never 'owned' these, they just happened to appear as part of the great confluence of things that created the dubstep world earlier this decade.

If that ethos-- along with the various production techniques, etc-- either show up anew in genres or refresh ones that have been plateauing, that's great. shit, you've got ward21 doing a dubstep tune as a jamaican dancehall riddim. the whole LET crew in LA making parallels to dubstep way down the tempo line. In my world, we've got live percussion, live looping, vocalists, acapellas--- it all found its home under the guise of 'dubstep' but even from my own admission, it sonically often has little to do with the tunes i was buying in 2005...

EXCEPT

it comes down to stripping the pretense away from a tune to just the elements that will immediately move folks. that, and an eternal quest for the NEW, is the essence of the whole strain of dub.

dubstep sits on the much-discussed continuum of 'ardcore, but it is definitely rooted in those values of dub; a bit competetive at the sound man level, and wide open at the musical level. the aesthetic may move along outside of the relevant things that make something "dubstep," but those elements that aren't dubstep-specific have other places to go, other people to infect.

that good hyperdub virus was never meant to be contained within arbitrary rules of tempo and mixdown anyway, eh?

[kentnz]

I think so. It is already heading that way kind of. The borders are blurring. It has gone global so the influences and contextual environments of the music are becoming more diverse. People like Scorn have never really been considered Dubstep but their music fits the criteria, so I think the inverse is bound to happen too, things that start off being associated with dubstep will move away and form new genres.

[lynn mc]

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[parson]

unfortunately it will probably get slightly faster...it suits what will maybe become the dominant strain...

ala jungle turning from 155bpm to 180bpm lol

a lot of it is slowing down to blend w/ electro and bassline