Re: spinbacks on cdj's?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:29 pm
I do when it comes to Electronic music but never Dub. I am getting into it tho for obvious reasons.rbnc wrote: Learn your history babe!
I do when it comes to Electronic music but never Dub. I am getting into it tho for obvious reasons.rbnc wrote: Learn your history babe!
This bit is true. But I think with conventional Dubstep the spinbacks are not really necessary. No1 does it in House or Techno and lets be honest about things, there are not really many people doing a whole set of Dub now days. Most of it is very techy so I think it looks quite embarrassing seeing someone spinning off a record like that just because they saw someone do it at DMZ 4 years ago.ben freeman wrote:Nah.... Spinbacks can be done and sound good. If you are steady mixing in a track for say 2 minutes, then at the breakdown spinback the first record, and keep the new one playing, it can sound great and there is no beats wrecked and you have something to add to the transition. People do it all the time in Jungleand dubstep sets. When people pull the tune in their sets it's usually the crowd going off and wanting to hear it. You have to understand the reggae/clash culture where this all originated from to understand why people do it. Also realize that many of the fathers of dubstep have a reggae/jungle background so that would explain why it is so prevelant in this scene. Obviously people can abuse it, and that can be annoying (the few times I saw Andy C for instance) But overall, it can be used to great effect if done properly.
This isn't house & techno though, everything doesn't have to be super-smooth transitions with people mixing two tunes for several minutes. Many of the djs playing the techier stuff are generally from a dubstep/dnb background where it is the norm. As long as its used at the right time & not to often i don't see a problem with it, at the end of the day its only another effect like a filter sweepserox wrote: This bit is true. But I think with conventional Dubstep the spinbacks are not really necessary. No1 does it in House or Techno and lets be honest about things, there are not really many people doing a whole set of Dub now days. Most of it is very techy so I think it looks quite embarrassing seeing someone spinning off a record like that just because they saw someone do it at DMZ 4 years ago.
youre experience is very one sided in that case, goto a hype rave tell Slimzee he is new to mixing and "cool "serox wrote:I have heard some nice wump's reversed slowly like this and it does sound nice, but it sounds better forward.Littlefoot wrote:Spinbacks at the point of mix are often very good devices in the world of garage/grime/dubstep etc.
The sound of warped basslines being flung back often makes a very odd noise you can use creatively in your mix.
In my experience spinbacks are used to hide dodgy mixing or is done by people who are newish to mixing and think its 'cool'.
For the record I think there are better ways to come out of a fuck up than a spinback.serox wrote:I do when it comes to Electronic music but never Dub. I am getting into it tho for obvious reasons.rbnc wrote: Learn your history babe!
dont patronize me sonny jimserox wrote:Sorry but you sound like you do not really understand what you are talking about.hackman wrote:you could get away with not doing spinbacks a lot in the techno scene, cos of the stupid ott build ups that you get, meaning you can just cut without leaving a noticable gap in the frequency range after the build ends
in dubstep i find a lot that when cutting from one tune to the other it just sounds a bit weird, even with correct eqing and stuff, maybe just cos the next tune has less hats or less of a punchy snare, spinning back the previous track makes the transition sound better imo
but djs that spinback every mix are v unimaginative and need to learn some new techniques
btw think a lot of people are getting confused over spinbacks and rewinds/reloads, 2 v different things
OTT build ups in Techno? do you mean, Trance? I only have around 2000+ records and I would not say anything has any OTT buildups.
You can cut from one record to another with most genres and Dubstep is one the easiest. You must be cutting/chopping at the wrong point if it sounds weird. Try cutting onto a snare hit and it will sound spot on most of the time if you do it on the right bar.
Spinning back a record to make a transition sound better? are you on crack?
serox wrote:That is a very general statement and it did not come from me.hackman wrote:
so most of the djs on rinse cant mix
hmmmmm
serox wrote:They are a last resort for a DJ who cannot mix. Learn to mix and leave that shit to sloppy djs or hip hop.
You never heard cheeky's show then lolhackman wrote:
the djs on rinse often use spinbacks (just using rinse as an obvious example)
they dont get to dj on rinse for being shit and sloppy
qftlojik wrote:This is such a pointless thread. Why start a thread that basically says that his DJing style is the only way anyone in the world should mix, and anyone who does anything else is wrong and a shit DJ. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Are you retarded or something?Littlefoot wrote:
youre experience is very one sided in that case, goto a hype rave tell Slimzee he is new to mixing and "cool "
It was not put there by Technics so I wouldn't say it "is there" for any reason. It is a gimmicky thing and it many genres it is a laughable matter.hackman wrote:
dont patronize me sonny jim
spinning back a record has the whole purpose of making a transition sounding better, what do you think its there for, an obxnoxious noise? oh yeah you do
i meant techno had ott because they use way more focus on the build to drops, so cutting just sounds better
i said cutting for SOME tunes in dusbtep SOMETIMES doesnt sound as strong as it would for others, thats why ME PERSONALLY i like to use spinbacks
plus im obviously mixing different styles to you anyway
I dont care for what reason they are playing on there. I have heard bare trash mixing. There are mixes on this website right now that are from rinse and they are full of mistakes from start to finish. Same with club mixes from big name producers who cannot mix. Fingers and thumbs all over the place and no real structure or flow.hackman wrote:
the djs on rinse often use spinbacks (just using rinse as an obvious example)
they dont get to dj on rinse for being shit and sloppy
lol were talking about SPINBACKS not REWINDSSickMan D wrote:Sometimes, you just have to hear that drop again on a system, if the crowd is asking why deny them the rush?
I see what people are saying it doesnt happen in house or techno, but it has been staple of garage, jungle, dub, grime, hiphop since day. House and techno are all about the progressive mix, depends on what you are mixing and to who really. If a beardstroker sneers then let him, they obviously are not having fun listening to your set and should leave.
I was paraphrasing your own post, not the actions of a retard in my opinion.serox wrote:Are you retarded or something?Littlefoot wrote:
youre experience is very one sided in that case, goto a hype rave tell Slimzee he is new to mixing and "cool "
I have not said no one can mix did I? is it really necessary to drop names of people you think can mix?
I just think you are talking complete fucking nonsense like a few others who have posted on this thread to be honest.Littlefoot wrote:
I was paraphrasing your own post, not the actions of a retard in my opinion.
You are so unbelievably negative on these forums, cheer up mate or what's the point even coming on here day after day?
Care to share what these lies are?serox wrote:I just think you are talking complete fucking nonsense like a few others who have posted on this thread to be honest.Littlefoot wrote:
I was paraphrasing your own post, not the actions of a retard in my opinion.
You are so unbelievably negative on these forums, cheer up mate or what's the point even coming on here day after day?
There are a number of people on here who like to talk about things like they know what they are saying but dont have a fucking clue.
This forum use to be mint. Loads of great information going around. Now days I see the same shit posted over n over and loads of bullshit incorrect information flying around.