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kejk wrote:

WatchYourStep wrote:I don't dance with guys.

Why not?

-Are you that insecure about your sexuality?

What does this even mean?

Listen, I like sharing dubstep with dudes too, otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum, but dancefloor politics limit me to maybe a glance in their direction, a nod of approval at the song playing, maybe a high five or something, then I go back to dancing with my girl.

It's also an evolutionary thing: the male form is, on the whole, larger in size than the female, so a dancefloor full of dudes looks intimidating to girls, because they might feel like they'll get bumped into, stepped on, etc, if they enter.

ketamine wrote:

abZ wrote:

Big MD wrote:Splitting genres ends up evil for those who love the genre like it is. It ends up in nothing. UK Garage ended whit fans but no producers, cause everyone wants to bee a founder of a style. STOP THIS!!!!!!!! keep it united and celebrate the multiplity of our Musicstyle!

Hell

This is a UK thing tho, it does get retarded but I suppose it is inevitable that dubstep as a term will die off and all the fragments keep evolving into something else. I called DNB, jungle long after the meeting of the minds took place to remame the genre. In the US it is a bit different we make up genre names for fun it's kinda tongue in cheek but the UK boys seem to take it serious. It's just music. Who gives a fuck.

Interesting thing is I was listening to everything on Beatport the other night for shits and giggles. You think the subgenre wars get stupid in bass music try listening to minimal and techno and tell me the difference. There is a difference but it's so slight it makes it silly.

You make very good points, but in a way, subgenres to some extent help you find the sound you're looking for. You mentioned Beaport--being able to distinguish crackly Hotflush type tunes from Rusko smashers is well helpful. Bad example perhaps, but the Japanese did that with p0rn: splintered every conceivable thing into describable terms so people can find exactly what they're looking for... it has uses

The problem with it in my eyes is that like the beatport techno example is you sort of exclude the music that isn't either. I can't think of great analogy at the moment but it's like with DNB I used to like. I liked DNB not x or y subgenre but once the subgenre thing kinda took over dnb there was hardly anything left in the middle. So I gave up on it. I have made brostep and deep stuff but my favorite shit to make doesn't fit in either group very well get me? The best thing these download sites could do imo is to allow the labels to tag their tunes rather than pick from preset definitions. Problem with that is is it gets abused where people will tag tunes with everything so it will show up in more searches. Even with the abuse I would still like to see it, it would be better than what they have now and it would make it a lot easier to fine what you dig. I try to listen to as much as possible myself, you never know when you could find something brilliant where your head tells you to not even listen.

the real question is..DOES IT MATTER?!?!?

I dont entrely object to subgenres, but, they have to come with a serious revelation or strict rule in the music... Jungle basically needs an amen and a more analogue nature, at least where I come from... the vibe being less important then those drums... but... point is... shouldnt a subgenre come to define a change in the structure in some way?

And if what this is really aobut s the age old question about distorted vs. non, call it something better then brostep for gods sake... A> I know some down female heads who get thier hands up to harder shit with all the guys B> Brostep is a gehy word...

I always pretty much drew the line between dubstep and ruffnek diskotek... it seemed a pretty convenient way to seperate the distortion out, and gave homage to the old nights accross the pond whcih really helped start, and embody what i think should be, the scene. But, according to the legend as I got it, Ruffnek Diskotech is the first place they really shifted into that heavier, grittier, distorted, glitchy end... And, as catchy and legendary as the name is, it fit in mind as the subgenre, which Im now gathering people are calling brostep...

So, essentially, with as unique, and important as distorted shit is, cant we all agree on something better then brostep, becasue, as mentioned above, that might as well say fagstep or soemthing of the like... it pays no respect.

Soemone take the flaming for starting a poll or something, lets vote on the official first subgenres...

Then again, that might be a post better saved for brostepforum.com

basicanarchy101 wrote:I dont entrely object to subgenres, but, they have to come with a serious revelation or strict rule in the music... Jungle basically needs an amen and a more analogue nature, at least where I come from... the vibe being less important then those drums... but... point is... shouldnt a subgenre come to define a change in the structure in some way?

And if what this is really aobut s the age old question about distorted vs. non, call it something better then brostep for gods sake... A> I know some down female heads who get thier hands up to harder shit with all the guys B> Brostep is a gehy word...

I always pretty much drew the line between dubstep and ruffnek diskotek... it seemed a pretty convenient way to seperate the distortion out, and gave homage to the old nights accross the pond whcih really helped start, and embody what i think should be, the scene. But, according to the legend as I got it, Ruffnek Diskotech is the first place they really shifted into that heavier, grittier, distorted, glitchy end... And, as catchy and legendary as the name is, it fit in mind as the subgenre, which Im now gathering people are calling brostep...

So, essentially, with as unique, and important as distorted shit is, cant we all agree on something better then brostep, becasue, as mentioned above, that might as well say fagstep or soemthing of the like... it pays no respect.

Soemone take the flaming for starting a poll or something, lets vote on the official first subgenres...

Then again, that might be a post better saved for brostepforum.com

In all seriousness I would like to call it all dubstep at least for a little while longer. It seems to be working for everyone except a few beard scratchers on the intreweb. What really pisses some people off I think is that what we are calling brostep is actually what most people think dubstep IS and of course dubstep has a much wider sound than that. But peoples ignorance in that respect doesn't warrant the disrespect that certain producers get on this website. Furthermore, last year it was wobble now they call it brostep because they want to throw distorted bass line shit under the bus with it, 2010 we will lump some other popular sound in with it and whats left will make people doze off at the club and get them kicked out, we don't want that now do we?

abZ wrote:

basicanarchy101 wrote:I dont entrely object to subgenres, but, they have to come with a serious revelation or strict rule in the music... Jungle basically needs an amen and a more analogue nature, at least where I come from... the vibe being less important then those drums... but... point is... shouldnt a subgenre come to define a change in the structure in some way?

And if what this is really aobut s the age old question about distorted vs. non, call it something better then brostep for gods sake... A> I know some down female heads who get thier hands up to harder shit with all the guys B> Brostep is a gehy word...

I always pretty much drew the line between dubstep and ruffnek diskotek... it seemed a pretty convenient way to seperate the distortion out, and gave homage to the old nights accross the pond whcih really helped start, and embody what i think should be, the scene. But, according to the legend as I got it, Ruffnek Diskotech is the first place they really shifted into that heavier, grittier, distorted, glitchy end... And, as catchy and legendary as the name is, it fit in mind as the subgenre, which Im now gathering people are calling brostep...

So, essentially, with as unique, and important as distorted shit is, cant we all agree on something better then brostep, becasue, as mentioned above, that might as well say fagstep or soemthing of the like... it pays no respect.

Soemone take the flaming for starting a poll or something, lets vote on the official first subgenres...

Then again, that might be a post better saved for brostepforum.com

In all seriousness I would like to call it all dubstep at least for a little while longer. It seems to be working for everyone except a few beard scratchers on the intreweb. What really pisses some people off I think is that what we are calling brostep is actually what most people think dubstep IS and of course dubstep has a much wider sound than that. But peoples ignorance in that respect doesn't warrant the disrespect that certain producers get on this website. Furthermore, last year it was wobble now they call it brostep because they want to throw distorted bass line shit under the bus with it, 2010 we will lump some other popular sound in with it and whats left will make people doze off at the club and get them kicked out, we don't want that now do we?

The problem about subgenring is, if you split the fanpower you get the half of crouds on partys n clubs, ergo the rooms feel emptyer and the people think, the genre is impoding. so the intrests for this kind of music goes back.
And the begining of the end could bee when the first promoter is going to make a so called *brostep party*. To giv sounds a name is ok, but to split or to hate other sounds, or to play on partys particulary the same voices could bee the beginning of the end.

UKG splitted in different directions and they where too much. please think twice before you all are dooing a big mistake. call the sounds by name, but don't subgenre it.

and the therm about finding sounds which i'm searching for, if you know the producers names you wil find the most things you are searching for. Agood dj is searching whit his ears not whit his eyes. and a good producer wil get atention anyway, when djs are playing his stuff.


cheers

Dubstep = music playing around 140 bpm with actual, real bass frequencies hitting your chest.

Brostep = nasty, horrid midrange frequencies damaging your ears.

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Dubstep = all the good things.

Brostep/midrange cack = all the bad things.

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I wish Chuck Norris would come and kick all you midrange nutters in the face for having such horrible taste in audio frequencies...

Thank you for your understanding surrounding the matter.

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Some issues never die, like Isreali/American terrorism, abortion and midrange c***

i'll take brostep over ketstep or snoozestep any day in a club
i wanna dance damn it

basicanarchy101 wrote:Ketamine-Zombie-Bro-Neck-Diskotech-Psy-Core-Step.

I hate the way Dubstep is constantly so closely related to Ketamine... It fucking disgusts me.

WatchYourStep wrote: It's also an evolutionary thing: the male form is, on the whole, larger in size than the female, so a dancefloor full of dudes looks intimidating to girls, because they might feel like they'll get bumped into, stepped on, etc, if they enter.

This is the worst catch 22 and seems to be destroying the dancefloor... Men don't want to go into a sausagefest and girls feel intimidated by a sausagefest... Eventually, people will be too egotistic to even enter the dancefloor...

Big MD wrote:

abZ wrote:

basicanarchy101 wrote:I dont entrely object to subgenres, but, they have to come with a serious revelation or strict rule in the music... Jungle basically needs an amen and a more analogue nature, at least where I come from... the vibe being less important then those drums... but... point is... shouldnt a subgenre come to define a change in the structure in some way?

And if what this is really aobut s the age old question about distorted vs. non, call it something better then brostep for gods sake... A> I know some down female heads who get thier hands up to harder shit with all the guys B> Brostep is a gehy word...

I always pretty much drew the line between dubstep and ruffnek diskotek... it seemed a pretty convenient way to seperate the distortion out, and gave homage to the old nights accross the pond whcih really helped start, and embody what i think should be, the scene. But, according to the legend as I got it, Ruffnek Diskotech is the first place they really shifted into that heavier, grittier, distorted, glitchy end... And, as catchy and legendary as the name is, it fit in mind as the subgenre, which Im now gathering people are calling brostep...

So, essentially, with as unique, and important as distorted shit is, cant we all agree on something better then brostep, becasue, as mentioned above, that might as well say fagstep or soemthing of the like... it pays no respect.

Soemone take the flaming for starting a poll or something, lets vote on the official first subgenres...

Then again, that might be a post better saved for brostepforum.com

In all seriousness I would like to call it all dubstep at least for a little while longer. It seems to be working for everyone except a few beard scratchers on the intreweb. What really pisses some people off I think is that what we are calling brostep is actually what most people think dubstep IS and of course dubstep has a much wider sound than that. But peoples ignorance in that respect doesn't warrant the disrespect that certain producers get on this website. Furthermore, last year it was wobble now they call it brostep because they want to throw distorted bass line shit under the bus with it, 2010 we will lump some other popular sound in with it and whats left will make people doze off at the club and get them kicked out, we don't want that now do we?

The problem about subgenring is, if you split the fanpower you get the half of crouds on partys n clubs, ergo the rooms feel emptyer and the people think, the genre is impoding. so the intrests for this kind of music goes back.
And the begining of the end could bee when the first promoter is going to make a so called *brostep party*. To giv sounds a name is ok, but to split or to hate other sounds, or to play on partys particulary the same voices could bee the beginning of the end.

UKG splitted in different directions and they where too much. please think twice before you all are dooing a big mistake. call the sounds by name, but don't subgenre it.

and the therm about finding sounds which i'm searching for, if you know the producers names you wil find the most things you are searching for. Agood dj is searching whit his ears not whit his eyes. and a good producer wil get atention anyway, when djs are playing his stuff.


cheers

Shit happens, a genre dies then comes back around 5 years later with a slightly different beat or new piece of technology and has a different name... You can't really kill music man.

Here's my take on it:

Dubstep developed through a small coterie of producers forming their own collective sound. It was made before there was a significant audience for it. (That doesn’t make all of it good, though.)

Brostep developed because dubstep blew up and DJs had to fill much larger dancefloors. It's a sound that's aiming to please a specific audience. (That doesn't make all of it bad, though.)

Personally, I’ll play anything that moves the body while engaging the mind. Unfortunately, most music – not just brostep or dubstep... most music – appeals to mind or body, not both. (And you know why? Because it’s a lot easier to make.)

wirez wrote:

WatchYourStep wrote: It's also an evolutionary thing: the male form is, on the whole, larger in size than the female, so a dancefloor full of dudes looks intimidating to girls, because they might feel like they'll get bumped into, stepped on, etc, if they enter.

This is the worst catch 22 and seems to be destroying the dancefloor... Men don't want to go into a sausagefest and girls feel intimidated by a sausagefest... Eventually, people will be too egotistic to even enter the dancefloor...

Not sure what the style of music has to do with this. Maybe it is that way where you are from but I play both deep sets and brostep and I can tell you the broads do not like deep stuff here. If it ain't raw and distorted they don't like it. Like I said maybe that is just Pittsburgh but I think girls liking "feminine" music is a fallacy. Girls like it rough, they like their ass smacked and hair pulled and thank god for that.

wirez wrote:

basicanarchy101 wrote:Ketamine-Zombie-Bro-Neck-Diskotech-Psy-Core-Step.

I hate the way Dubstep is constantly so closely related to Ketamine... It fucking disgusts me.

I don't understand the association either. Always thought it was some pot smoking music. Perhaps with a high quality hoppy beer in the side too.

abZ wrote:

wirez wrote:

WatchYourStep wrote: It's also an evolutionary thing: the male form is, on the whole, larger in size than the female, so a dancefloor full of dudes looks intimidating to girls, because they might feel like they'll get bumped into, stepped on, etc, if they enter.

This is the worst catch 22 and seems to be destroying the dancefloor... Men don't want to go into a sausagefest and girls feel intimidated by a sausagefest... Eventually, people will be too egotistic to even enter the dancefloor...

Not sure what the style of music has to do with this. Maybe it is that way where you are from but I play both deep sets and brostep and I can tell you the broads do not like deep stuff here. If it ain't raw and distorted they don't like it. Like I said maybe that is just Pittsburgh but I think girls liking "feminine" music is a fallacy. Girls like it rough, they like their ass smacked and hair pulled and thank god for that.

same here

abZ wrote:

wirez wrote:

WatchYourStep wrote: It's also an evolutionary thing: the male form is, on the whole, larger in size than the female, so a dancefloor full of dudes looks intimidating to girls, because they might feel like they'll get bumped into, stepped on, etc, if they enter.

This is the worst catch 22 and seems to be destroying the dancefloor... Men don't want to go into a sausagefest and girls feel intimidated by a sausagefest... Eventually, people will be too egotistic to even enter the dancefloor...

Not sure what the style of music has to do with this. Maybe it is that way where you are from but I play both deep sets and brostep and I can tell you the broads do not like deep stuff here. If it ain't raw and distorted they don't like it. Like I said maybe that is just Pittsburgh but I think girls liking "feminine" music is a fallacy. Girls like it rough, they like their ass smacked and hair pulled and thank god for that.

My reply wasn't necessarily musically related, I was replying to your comment about girls being intimidated by a dancefloor full of men. My point was basically that if you're going out looking for girls to dance with it's not easy because the ratio of males on the dancefloor is always higher... Therefore intimidating the girls and putting off the lads who want to dance with girls not other lads... You know?

wirez wrote:

abZ wrote:

wirez wrote:

WatchYourStep wrote: It's also an evolutionary thing: the male form is, on the whole, larger in size than the female, so a dancefloor full of dudes looks intimidating to girls, because they might feel like they'll get bumped into, stepped on, etc, if they enter.

This is the worst catch 22 and seems to be destroying the dancefloor... Men don't want to go into a sausagefest and girls feel intimidated by a sausagefest... Eventually, people will be too egotistic to even enter the dancefloor...

Not sure what the style of music has to do with this. Maybe it is that way where you are from but I play both deep sets and brostep and I can tell you the broads do not like deep stuff here. If it ain't raw and distorted they don't like it. Like I said maybe that is just Pittsburgh but I think girls liking "feminine" music is a fallacy. Girls like it rough, they like their ass smacked and hair pulled and thank god for that.

My reply wasn't necessarily musically related, I was replying to your comment about girls being intimidated by a dancefloor full of men. My point was basically that if you're going out looking for girls to dance with it's not easy because the ratio of males on the dancefloor is always higher... Therefore intimidating the girls and putting off the lads who want to dance with girls not other lads... You know?

Yeah I gotcha. Doesn't always seem to be the case though but like I say I am sure it is different from region to region but there is definitely always more poles than holes in the club but most guys you will never see on the dancefloor. Girls are more likely to kick it and it has a kind of evening effect sometimes.

abZ wrote: I try to listen to as much as possible myself, you never know when you could find something brilliant where your head tells you to not even listen.

This. Beatport is paradise when you come in with an open mind, a beer, and a free evening to crate dig

wirez wrote:

basicanarchy101 wrote:Ketamine... It fucking disgusts me.

The more you talk about Brostep, the more validity you give it. The term should just be banned outright ..

But hypothetically speaking would Datsik and Borgore considered Brostep?