osama bin laden = reptilian ?

[hackman]

watch britney break free of her mind control for a bit

[2manynoobs]

What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.

Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.

what about astral projecting, what about quantum physics starting to prove all of this shit. what about every person who goes on about awakening just like Icke.

The funniest thing of all is that every single piece of obscure/not-mainstream information/science I read, it all falls perfectly together. Like a puzzle.

You read a piece here, you read a bit there. Then you read something else and suddenly BAM! you see the connection.
It all fits perfectly. Why won't you at least try to see it?

Got to agree with Acid up there, he's put it pretty well imo.

I have tried to see it, I spent many years (from when i was 16 - 18 probably) getting pretty into the more subversive theories regarding society, politics and reality. Don't assume I haven't looked in to this stuff because I don't agree. I just found nothing that convinced me.

To me astral projecting is like a lucid dream, you aren't travelling anywhere, you just see what you want to. Stephen LaBerge theorises on this in his Lucid Dream book.

What do you feel Quantum Physics is starting to prove? I have certainly never read anything that pertains to the Icke world view, the Matrix theory, any conspiracy theory. If you are referring to the numerous theories regarding the nature of the Universe then yes, there are many new ideas but NONE relate to these ideas. rather these ideas are generally clumsily linked to legitimate scientific theory with outlandish pseudo-science or total nonsense.
Show me any quantum theory that helps support the reptilian worldview and I will show you my penis in a superposition

You say to me 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth'
I say back to you 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth' -
for me, truth is truth because it is provable, not just conjecture. Show me proof and I will join you in the fight against these lizard bastards

watch that. Basically everything they are saying in that film is based on scientific FACTS; that means it is proven

Hey,

not sure what to make of that film. It does a good job dealing in only facts until the 2min mark and then veers about a bit into some fairly wild speculation. I read A LOT about QP and various sub-fields in modern physics, I understand the idea of de-coherence and take some issue at the way the concept is presented in this film.
This movie explains the de-coherence of a wavefunction as being the effect of a viewer, in a sense, creating their own reality. While this is true in principle it is never really manifest in our world FAPP.
First the word 'viewer' is inaccurate. The phenomenon of wavefunction collapse is encountered whenever the WF is 'measured'. This is a far more open term and means that ANY interaction with even an unconscious entity (that has already de-cohered or collapsed) can cause this collapse. In fact, in labs, scientists have to set matter up to be in wavefunction states before they can play about collapsing (and more recently, restoring) these states because most matter on earth has already interacted with other, previously collapsed matter so it in itself has already collapsed.
Heisenberg is mentioned amongst many in this film. I would strongly suggest you read his book Physics and Philosophy. It is a cold and rational look at the state of modern physics (written in the 60s I think but deals with the same basic subject matter that the film covers).
The film appears to try and link the idea that the human mind is capable of far more powerful feats than is generally considered possible to the 'observer created reality' idea that stems from the phenomena of de-coherence. This is a major and incredibly unscientific way to hijack a scientifically validated principle. The credible MIT professor merely summarises the idea of WF collapse, he does not link it to the theory postulated in the film. Then we hear from Bruce Lipton

TL:DR - Film has decent science but then tries to prop up unfounded ideas using established science in very unscientific way. Science fact + Unscientific conjecture = pseudo science.

Anyway, what's this got to do with our scaly overlords?

mention how they always refer in the documentary to "THEM"

I quote: "they didn't want us to get that information public" and quotes like that.

Them = all controlled by those who don't want us to evolve.

it's so obvious lol.

[parson]

speculating about world news/politics is like speculating on wwf

[magma]

speculating about world news/politics is like speculating on wwf

Are you supplimenting your income as a musician by writing really shit bumper stickers for college students or do you genuinely think you're being witty?

[pårson]

speculating about world news/politics is like speculating on wwf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JODV1xJNlrU

[the acid never lies]

mention how they always refer in the documentary to "THEM"

I quote: "they didn't want us to get that information public" and quotes like that.

Them = all controlled by those who don't want us to evolve.

it's so obvious lol.

Okay... you're obviously trolling. Congrats, you had at least one of us fooled.

[the acid never lies]

speculating about world news/politics is like speculating on wwf

Are you supplimenting your income as a musician by writing really shit bumper stickers for college students or do you genuinely think you're being witty?

He's just a poor man's pårson

[parson]

LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME WRESTLING FANS IN THE HOUSE

[grimesceneinvestigation]

nice one

[lloydnoise]

mention how they always refer in the documentary to "THEM"

I quote: "they didn't want us to get that information public" and quotes like that.

Them = all controlled by those who don't want us to evolve.

it's so obvious lol.

It's not obvious. It's something you heard interviewees and a narrator say in a short documentary. There is no evidence of anything other than established science. Sorry mate but you are seeing and hearing what you want, not what is real.

[hackman]

an eye for an eye eh lloydnoise?

[lloydnoise]

an eye for an eye eh lloydnoise?

yeh I get the irony, but surely the burden of proof is on someone that postulates an idea that is not obviously manifest in the real world (like religion).
I see many similarities with the reptilian conspiracy idea and many established religions, the basic message of morality (although more spiritual and 'love' orientated nowadays), the exciting story with crudely polarized Good VS Evil narrative, the controversial prophets, the doomladen 'end of days message', the zeal of believers and the 'follow us or perish' mentality.
You guys may feel as though you are aware of a hidden reality that we blind sleepy sheeple cannot see or comprehend but so do millions of people who believe in God and heaven etc. You ever chatted to a supersmug christian about belief? Did they remind you of Parson?

Sometimes the mad man is profoundly saner than all around him, in this case however, I feel he is just a bit mad.

[hackman]

no i meant that you were ignoring my question, like i ignored your requests for evidence

[hackman]

you can't judge how mad someone is from text

[elibomyekip]

Why does it all matter since we're living in the matrix?

[hackman]

idea of reptilians explains IMO why there is world poverty, wars, blah blah blah
while this experience is not real, surely it's better that as a collective consciousness it's an as pleasant experience as possible?

[lloydnoise]

no i meant that you were ignoring my question, like i ignored your requests for evidence

hey, sorry, I didn't notice it

I've had some lucid dreams that were a bit wierd and I couldn't tell if I was awake or not until I actually woke up, stuff like that but no I have never 'astrally projected'.
there is currently no evidence that the subject who feels they are projecting is doing anything but lucid dreaming. Stephen LaBarge's Lucid Dreams book postulates on this and offers more compelling arguements than that which I have heard for astral projecting.
If you can do it, go ahead but the imagination is more powerful than you think, powerful enough to make up whole worlds for you to exist in, if you want it.

[hackman]

you've never got too high off drugs and then just temporarily floated out of your body?
the CIA knew astral projection/remote viewing was real, hence why they put so many resources behind it

[nowaysj]

Wouldn't we just shut NASA down if this was the case?

[faust.dtc]

Im starting to think that maybe some reptiles are really human...