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lloydnoise wrote:

2manynoobs wrote:

lloydnoise wrote:

2manynoobs wrote:

the acid never lies wrote:What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.

Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.

what about astral projecting, what about quantum physics starting to prove all of this shit. what about every person who goes on about awakening just like Icke.

The funniest thing of all is that every single piece of obscure/not-mainstream information/science I read, it all falls perfectly together. Like a puzzle.

You read a piece here, you read a bit there. Then you read something else and suddenly BAM! you see the connection.
It all fits perfectly. Why won't you at least try to see it?

Got to agree with Acid up there, he's put it pretty well imo.

I have tried to see it, I spent many years (from when i was 16 - 18 probably) getting pretty into the more subversive theories regarding society, politics and reality. Don't assume I haven't looked in to this stuff because I don't agree. I just found nothing that convinced me.

To me astral projecting is like a lucid dream, you aren't travelling anywhere, you just see what you want to. Stephen LaBerge theorises on this in his Lucid Dream book.

What do you feel Quantum Physics is starting to prove? I have certainly never read anything that pertains to the Icke world view, the Matrix theory, any conspiracy theory. If you are referring to the numerous theories regarding the nature of the Universe then yes, there are many new ideas but NONE relate to these ideas. rather these ideas are generally clumsily linked to legitimate scientific theory with outlandish pseudo-science or total nonsense.
Show me any quantum theory that helps support the reptilian worldview and I will show you my penis in a superposition

You say to me 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth'
I say back to you 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth' -
for me, truth is truth because it is provable, not just conjecture. Show me proof and I will join you in the fight against these lizard bastards

watch that. Basically everything they are saying in that film is based on scientific FACTS; that means it is proven

Hey,

not sure what to make of that film. It does a good job dealing in only facts until the 2min mark and then veers about a bit into some fairly wild speculation. I read A LOT about QP and various sub-fields in modern physics, I understand the idea of de-coherence and take some issue at the way the concept is presented in this film.
This movie explains the de-coherence of a wavefunction as being the effect of a viewer, in a sense, creating their own reality. While this is true in principle it is never really manifest in our world FAPP.
First the word 'viewer' is inaccurate. The phenomenon of wavefunction collapse is encountered whenever the WF is 'measured'. This is a far more open term and means that ANY interaction with even an unconscious entity (that has already de-cohered or collapsed) can cause this collapse. In fact, in labs, scientists have to set matter up to be in wavefunction states before they can play about collapsing (and more recently, restoring) these states because most matter on earth has already interacted with other, previously collapsed matter so it in itself has already collapsed.
Heisenberg is mentioned amongst many in this film. I would strongly suggest you read his book Physics and Philosophy. It is a cold and rational look at the state of modern physics (written in the 60s I think but deals with the same basic subject matter that the film covers).
The film appears to try and link the idea that the human mind is capable of far more powerful feats than is generally considered possible to the 'observer created reality' idea that stems from the phenomena of de-coherence. This is a major and incredibly unscientific way to hijack a scientifically validated principle. The credible MIT professor merely summarises the idea of WF collapse, he does not link it to the theory postulated in the film. Then we hear from Bruce Lipton

TL:DR - Film has decent science but then tries to prop up unfounded ideas using established science in very unscientific way. Science fact + Unscientific conjecture = pseudo science.

Anyway, what's this got to do with our scaly overlords?

parson wrote:speculating about world news/politics is like speculating on wwf

parson wrote:speculating about world news/politics is like speculating on wwf

2manynoobs wrote:mention how they always refer in the documentary to "THEM"

I quote: "they didn't want us to get that information public" and quotes like that.

Them = all controlled by those who don't want us to evolve.

it's so obvious lol.

magma wrote:

parson wrote:speculating about world news/politics is like speculating on wwf

Are you supplimenting your income as a musician by writing really shit bumper stickers for college students or do you genuinely think you're being witty?

pårson wrote:

2manynoobs wrote: mention how they always refer in the documentary to "THEM"

I quote: "they didn't want us to get that information public" and quotes like that.

Them = all controlled by those who don't want us to evolve.

it's so obvious lol.

hackman wrote:an eye for an eye eh lloydnoise?

hackman wrote:no i meant that you were ignoring my question, like i ignored your requests for evidence