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UFO over easy wrote:

Dom wrote:i think they want to host mixes themselves

That statement in isolation seems fairly innocuous, but it's the way Deapoh has been treated in all of this that's bothering everyone.

As sodium nightlife said, barefiles hosting is not incompatible with rinse, and the underlying issue is with ammunition attempting to lock everything down.

It has nothing to do with the music, this is a business strategy on their part..

More music, less business. IMO.

someone's been making sum business studies night schl moves - maybe the marketing module is next week. boycott is the way fwd. no pun...tho certainly would b more interesting than the actual fwd>>

Wow man I am pretty disgusted, but not surprised to be honest.

First as others have mentioned its kind of ridiculous to mention copyright laws and legal issues when the property that would be "protected" by the laws is completely illegal in the first place, therefore from my experience would not qualify for legal protection in any respect, but legal issues can be a sticky subject and since they are the bigger (and wealthier) entity, either way they would probably end up on top.

The reason I am not surprised is that this is what always happens and it really makes me disappointed to see this happening to such a great thing such as dubstep. But unfortunately this has all been done before in other industries, that's just the way that big corporations work, that's what microsoft and wal-mart do all the time. its about using your greater resources and influence to take over smaller entities.

the shame is that this is always what happens when you involve art (in this case, music) with business. Dubstep on its own is a great thing, but its because of the fact that we put a price on it that there always ends up being an "empire" such as tempa/ammunition that as you said, monopolizes it. now we are surely far from a monopoly in any respect yet but they certainly are far bigger of an entity than any other record label, except for planet mu perhaps (but they dont just do dubstep).

This is one of the first signs of the corporate invasion into the world of dubstep that I have noticed so far. Another one was the video cameras at DMZ. Inevitable that this would happen, but it still kills me to see it, because you know that its just the first step and it will just get worse and worse from here on, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

It just goes to show that no matter what, art and business can never live in harmony. It's a sad thing but true.

Big ups to you deapoh, you've done massive things for dubstep, and i can't wait to see the new barefiles. You couldnt have made a more right decision to say NO to them. Otherwise they would have just grown bigger and bigger. You have all our support.

This really comes as no suprise though. I think they used Barefiles until they saw an opportunity to cash in on someone else's hard work. Deapoh promoted Rinse and Tempa and FWD without wanting anything in return. Sarah is a businesswoman, with all her years at EMI and pushing ppl like Shanks & Bigfoot, im sure shes very aware of what she's doing. I just dont think its very tasteful.

rachel wrote: business studies night schl moves - maybe the marketing module is next week.

strange tings happenin around dubstep scene at the mo

Deapoh wrote: They're getting away with it cos they're fronting to be internet radio... simple way around the law, or is it?

It might be a simple way around the law ... u could use the fact that they broadcast on the airwaves illegally as a case against them, but u'd need to pay for a lawyer to pull it off... not worth it probably.

Deapoh wrote:

masstronaut wrote:did radio 1 ever have a problem with the breezeblock mixes being hosted?

I don't think they do at all, Mary Anne seemed fine with it when I spoke to her and Kiss FM record it for me and upload it to Barefiles!! I think it's just a Rinse thing. Fuck em.

Yeah, I think surgeon (who runs the blog where the sets are hosted) even has MaH in his friends. This is a fucking joke, but it seems like standard industry behavior (get money or get rid of it).

Josephine wrote:I just dont see how they think they; a) own someone elses music, and b) can control who the DJ's do mixes for.

legally they do own the music put out on their label because they own the copyrights for the recording, unless the artist is able to work into their contract that they can own the copyrights themselves,but that is extremely rare.

i dont think u can control who dj's do mixes for unless they have a really tight exclusive contract

Big up Deapoh.

technically, any set that is posted that has material they own copyrights on, is subject to their discretion

incyde wrote:

Josephine wrote:I just dont see how they think they; a) own someone elses music, and b) can control who the DJ's do mixes for.

legally they do own the music put out on their label because they own the copyrights for the recording, unless the artist is able to work into their contract that they can own the copyrights themselves,but that is extremely rare.

i dont think u can control who dj's do mixes for unless they have a really tight exclusive contract

Well you're kinda wrong, legally they ***

Also not every mix is just tempa stuff, there are tunes from other labels and producers which they do not own copyright over.

Oh and one more thing -

You know how it always says "unauthorized reproduction or public performance prohibited" on every record?

i can guarantee thats the next thing that tempa is going to start enforcing if they have to. just to warn you guys.

drum syndicate wrote:technically, any set that is posted that has material they own copyrights on, is subject to their discretion

but only their copyrighted material. blank out the ammunition tunes (or just replace it with your vocal murking em) and you're fine.

they don't have to have the judge come down on their side in court to win. as long as it's too much bullshit to deal with or they make you spend too much on lawyers, then the other side's going to pull out, and the letter of the law don't mean shit.

sad but true.

Deapoh wrote:legally they don't own the copyright to some of the Tempa tunes, I dunno about all the artists but some contracts have never been signed between Tempa and their artists.

Also not every mix is just tempa stuff, there are tunes from other labels and producers which they do not own copyright over.

really? thats weird... i just figured it's a standard to always have a contract.

incyde wrote: really? thats weird... i just figured it's a standard to always have a contract.

This is underground dance music. There tends to be enough trust between the artists and those responsible for releasing their music to make contracts unnecessary, especially when no one's in it to make money.

incyde wrote:You know how it always says "unauthorized reproduction or public performance prohibited" on every record?

i can guarantee thats the next thing that tempa is going to start enforcing if they have to. just to warn you guys.

Again, this is dance music. Even the biggest labels couldn't possibly hope to enforce that. Online mixes will never go away.

By the way, what do you mean by "if they have to"? They don't have to do anything...

copyright law is an ugly subject there are so many blurred lines; as has been said the person with the most money normally wins unless they have no case

forensix (mcr) wrote:as has been said the person with the most money normally wins unless they have no case

Just to mention something that's been bought up on another forum - as an illegal organisation, even with the backing of Ammunition would Rinse FM be recognised in a court of law at all?

UFO over easy wrote:

forensix (mcr) wrote:as has been said the person with the most money normally wins unless they have no case

Just to mention something that's been bought up on another forum - as an illegal organisation, even with the backing of Ammunition would Rinse FM be recognised in a court of law at all?

difficult to say if they are tryin to go "legal" they could put on this "we were pirate but now were going legal and puttin stuff back into the community..." bullshit and the court might buy it, it might not but it probably depends on how much ammunition are prepared to pay for a lawyer

otherwise i doubt a court of law would hear a case brought by an illegal organisation

UFO over easy wrote:

incyde wrote: really? thats weird... i just figured it's a standard to always have a contract.

This is underground dance music. There tends to be enough trust between the artists and those responsible for releasing their music to make contracts unnecessary, especially when no one's in it to make money.

incyde wrote:You know how it always says "unauthorized reproduction or public performance prohibited" on every record?

i can guarantee thats the next thing that tempa is going to start enforcing if they have to. just to warn you guys.

Again, this is dance music. Even the biggest labels couldn't possibly hope to enforce that. Online mixes will never go away.

By the way, what do you mean by "if they have to"? They don't have to do anything...

my bad... i know its dance music but im just pointing out a few things ive learned in my courses, and as ive learned they dont always translate to the real world.

i fucking hate when music and legal shit get intermixed! it just fucking sucks.