warnin- people ripping myspace audio and sharing on soulseek

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:30 pm

how's about put those songs on bleep if they aren't coming out? i know if this is done too soon on releases, you may lose a few sales. i don't use soulseek but dubstep filesharing won't stop me from purchasing tracks, as i always wan't the finished product. still though, not cool.
i don't play cds so unless i am going to make a dubplate, files are just ...okay. nice to hear the trak!

r33lc4sh · Post by **r33lc4sh** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:45 pm

luke.envoy wrote:some guy called dstepz who posts on this forum has been sharing my tune ripped from the myspace stream, and distributing it on soulseek.
i suspect he ripped it himself but it doesnt matter, hes giving it out for download.

the streams are there so people can hear the tunes being promoted on that site, not so they can put it on their ipod or itunes

this sort of thing is inevitable, but it doesnt mean that we should let people get away with it, especially from the dubstep community

anyone who knows dstepz, i suggest he gets a new name and stops using soulseek to rip and share dub streams

and how did u find that your tune is on soulseek?

ha?

u nasty soulseeker

delsa · Post by **delsa** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:20 pm

r33lc4sh wrote:^^^lol

ok boys we need a drummer!!!
D R U M M E R ! ! !

I'm a drummer i used to play for years. My kit has been in pieces for a while, but i'm in the process of sorting my shit out. Watch this space.

luke.envoy · Post by **luke.envoy** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:21 pm

r33lc4sh wrote:and how did u find that your tune is on soulseek? ha?
u nasty soulseeker

haha ive never used that shit, mr messer typed my name in soulseek and found it

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:52 am

seckle wrote:name and shame...

you know

I'm in stiches over the band ... big line-up. Can I request that you all wear uniforms or matching suits, that'd be bad

... can't wait for the Live Aid apperance

I def. agree that performing is where the bizzness is, that and merch. I got my skulldisco hoodie t'day and its fucking awesome.

... in the Aust. metal / hardcore scene, you make CDs so you can tour, and you tour t' sell merch. Selling the cds you break even on production costs, and you make yr money off selling stuff to the kids at a 200% mark-up

luke.envoy · Post by **luke.envoy** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:55 am

btw. ive spoken to dstepz and hes cool, file has been deleted

he didnt rip it and he's apologised for sharing it so thats all good with me

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:14 pm

threnody wrote:using live instruments slashes the potential range of sounds available to you.

I'm not saying we unlplug everything- have you seen people do live synth/laptop sets?

I agree with you on the vis- coz I'm a VJ!

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:03 pm

andythetwig wrote:i think the music recording industry is a temporary, century long "gold rush" that is receding...

It was created by a man with a wax cylinder, but now we've all not only got wax cylinders, but machines which make the noises for us... The "techniques" you use to create "your" sound are simply calculated distortions of the recording process... and since we've all got the tools, the recorded music has been devalued to the point of worthlessness.

Recorded music, whether you like it or not, it's on it's way out as a method of making money.

In future all recordings will be free, and used solely for the purposes of promoting live performance.

so let your recordings blossom through filesharing, soulseek could make you famous! lets have some live dubstep bands and improvised, exile style live PA's at FWD, because the only thing unique and lasting about your recordings is YOU...

Unfortunately this is very true. Thats why i've been researching and working on the live pa thing the last few years!

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:14 pm

threnody wrote: As for the improvised element this could be done with any real-time processing tool (MAX/MSP, Ableton etc..) although these days I question the worth of improvising stuff live when it can be perfected in the studio.

Interesting point BUT my current philisophy is that 'perfecting' things in the studio is cool but not really essential .. esp when your on a big system, solid drums and bass is the important thing. I've decided to go the live p.a. route cos it gives u immediate control over the elements in the music. You can react directly to what you and the crowd are feeling at the moment, without it being dictated by a record thats already set in stone.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:11 pm

*yawn*

protocolx · Post by **protocolx** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:03 pm

dont let ure music near the internet if u dont want any 1 2 rip it off!!

dnb has gone downhill since artists started selling mp3's.. and sending dubz thru msn/aim..

if u send out mp3's make sure u trust the person! or even better send them a cd.. and hopefully the thought of putting it near a pc will never cross their mind!

rogue star · Post by **rogue star** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:05 pm

ProtocolX wrote:dont let ure music near the internet if u dont want any 1 2 rip it off!!

dnb has gone downhill since artists started selling mp3's.. and sending dubz thru msn/aim..

if u send out mp3's make sure u trust the person! or even better send them a cd.. and hopefully the thought of putting it near a pc will never cross their mind!

4 real its simple common sense

subzer · Post by **subzer** » Thu May 18, 2006 10:06 am

elemental wrote:
andythetwig wrote:i think the music recording industry is a temporary, century long "gold rush" that is receding...

It was created by a man with a wax cylinder, but now we've all not only got wax cylinders, but machines which make the noises for us... The "techniques" you use to create "your" sound are simply calculated distortions of the recording process... and since we've all got the tools, the recorded music has been devalued to the point of worthlessness.

Recorded music, whether you like it or not, it's on it's way out as a method of making money.

In future all recordings will be free, and used solely for the purposes of promoting live performance.

so let your recordings blossom through filesharing, soulseek could make you famous! lets have some live dubstep bands and improvised, exile style live PA's at FWD, because the only thing unique and lasting about your recordings is YOU...
Unfortunately this is very true. Thats why i've been researching and working on the live pa thing the last few years!

i also agree with this one... interesting topic, as i work in the bizz its a common topic for me..

last years ditribution within the music bizz changed dramaticly. cd sells dropped down thru the digital highway, and i blame the recordindustry itself for it... why? because there weren't willing to think with it, no they where against it... no innavation from the majors...
vinyl sells here in NL stayed among the same (even grown a bit) because real lovers by there shit anyway

let me give an example how it is for me, a very close example:
i'm now formiliar with dubstep for over a month, as a dj always looking for fresh and new stuff, someone gave me a cd with a recorded dubstep internet show. this triggered me so much, next day i seeked and soulseeked on the internet... now i know what i like and have ordered my first dubstep records (as they not on stock at my local recordstore). i mean to say that real lovers by it anyway, and the rest of the downloaders (leechers) won't... what's the point: well more people are known with ya than before the internet...
i woulden't have a problem if i can download and the file will selfdestruced in, lets say, a week (something like a software demo or try before you buy). there problaby are more nice solutions for this problem... only thing majors are concurned about is money... excuse me, music is an expression, art, not some kind of cheap whore to pimp...
concerning luke's ripping story, ripping in this way is really bad, no respect, coz i understand as an artist its nice to see something back for your efforts, SO RESPECT TO ALL THE PRODUCERS, if its good, i'll buy it anyway

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu May 18, 2006 10:32 am

As a CD buyer, I have no need to download MP3s so long as top sites like Juno.co.uk let us have a listen!

If they don't, i will download some tracks as a 'preview'... I TRY not to keep them afterwards. >_>

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Thu May 18, 2006 10:49 am

I don't see the point in ripping and sharing on soulseek as the tunes are already being shared free of charge on myspace anyway

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Thu May 18, 2006 11:15 am

Hmmmm.

Flame if I am wrong here or if you disagree. This sounds like the 1970's "recording from the radio onto tape will kill music" scare story and in the 70's (I'm that old) I recorded from the radio (I had, at age 10, a 20 foot loop ariel that picked up stations from 40 miles away) and I developed a love of music and as I became older I not only bought a ton of music but became a DJ and spent most of my cash on vinyl. When p2p emerged I was straight on it early Napster days were heady and I found myself discovering more and more music especially rare hip hop freestyles and battles. "downloading on p2p will kill music" I heard (again). Will it fuck I said, let me at it!

Had it not been for p2p i probably would not have picked up on grime and then dubstep. It was a grime mix that had the word dubstep in the title that finally led me to the heady world of dubstep.

I lurked here for a while and I downloaded from barefiles but I also ripped all your streams from myspace and listened to them over and over on my iPod.

And now, through Bleep, I have loads of Hyperdub and all of DMZ releases. I had a p2p version of Dubstep all stars and I now have all three CDs.

People ripped your streams and I downloaded them but then I found my way here and now I am your customer and I am buying your tunes. I have extracted Zomby spliff dub from a mix and I have it on loop but I'm queing, no I am fighting, for that vinyl when it is released.

/lesson

glacial · Post by **glacial** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:40 pm

To drbluebeat: this is very good that you buy mp3s @ bleep.com.

But the real situation is that these mp3's (full quality 320kbps) can be found on soulseek.

I imagine how many losses this unstopable sharing process causes to bleep.com and the other same type shops. So I think generally sharing damages the overall sails worldwide.

Personally I used to download pirate DNB mp3 and I had no intentions to buy vynil because I am just a listener to this style.

That's the point...

P.S. I buy dubstep vynil because I just love it. Hope others will do the same.

to all: support teh scene.

batfink · Post by **batfink** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:57 pm

i've been trying to get free dubstep since forever, now i KNOW where to get it. Cheers guys.

glacial · Post by **glacial** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:33 pm

Batfink wrote:i've been trying to get free dubstep since forever, now i KNOW where to get it. Cheers guys.

it is not so easy as you think

batfink · Post by **batfink** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:37 pm

glacial wrote:
Batfink wrote:i've been trying to get free dubstep since forever, now i KNOW where to get it. Cheers guys.
it is not so easy as you think

you're right, it's not.

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