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Alert ™ wrote:

Well although I'm not really into the "brostep" side, I still think Cockney Thug is a tune.

ironically i love borgore's remix of woo boost.

to end this debate compare these two tunes





can you hear the difference???? on is brostep, the other is hype dubstep done right

id say ironically the person that really pushed things in that direction was distance with 'traffic'

think about it

massive tune of course

how the fuck do people think distance and downlink are responsible for this atrocity? i only noticed the whole "brostep" shit when i heard "borgore ruined dubstep". it's garbage.

pkay wrote:about 2005 when I first started hearing about dubstep the biggest shit in my record bag was the police state ep.

listen to Evol Intent- Street Knowledge and see if you can't make the connection to an american hearing dubstep and street knowledge and see if the connection doesnt make a blatantly obvious example of what most people label as 'brostep'.

In my opinion the idea of 140bpm dance music + north american tastes in drum and bass is where the sound came from. I personally thought cockney thug was pretty shit tbh thought its grown on me a bit.

True, but "Racing Green" was also huge that year. d&b nights, at least here in NYC, were rarely harder harder harder faster faster faster more more more....

as hyper-engineered as a lot of the US stuff was in those days (Evol Intent & crew, Dieselboy, Kaos & Karl K, etc) it still had lots of groove and interesting rhythms-- that's pretty much been bred out of the bro.

junglebunny wrote:how the fuck do people think distance and downlink are responsible for this atrocity? i only noticed the whole "brostep" shit when i heard "borgore ruined dubstep". it's garbage.

how the fuck can you lump the genius that is distance in with pwnlink?

Pistonsbeneath wrote:id say ironically the person that really pushed things in that direction was distance with 'traffic'

think about it

massive tune of course

Was actually thinking that as I was reading this post, in 05 there was Degenerate of course and I think that opened the gate to show industrial, heavy processed sounds can work in Dubstep and a few people really explored that region to its fullest content!

I think it was around 07 when you had this little "out-weirding" war where people like Jakes and Coki was making this stupidly twisted and so surreal sounds but the tracks STILL HAD GROOVE!!!

Personally myself, not a fan of any of the brostep "anthems" the first time I heard Sweetshop I was getting happy at the intro and thought the DJ had done a mix and was waiting for the badman tune to come back haha! Honest truth right there!

I see it as a totally different genre and the reason it gets a lot of dislike from me is because its just bought a lot of formalistic qualities into the sound and the biggest thing for me still, 6 years deep into this scene is that you can do what you want at a rough 140ish tempo with deep sub bass... I don't want people to think you have to conform to rules to make Dubstep or even think that the sound is one-track minded.

junglebunny wrote:how the fuck do people think distance and downlink are responsible for this atrocity? i only noticed the whole "brostep" shit when i heard "borgore ruined dubstep". it's garbage.

no you idiot, distance obviously had an influence on the earlier brostep producers thats for sure, listen to menace, skeleton grin for example. although distance actually used real instruments and played his own riffs.

downlink is merely a product of excision and datsik. borgore imo just made brostep sound more cheesy by adding vocals and weird samples, he made into something that anyone can get into because most people who aren't familiar with dubstep can easily get into something if it has lyrics. from an outsiders point of view if you heard datsik or downlink for the first time without being familiar to dubstep, you would think its just a bunch of noise with absolutely no coherence, not knocking those two i mean they are talented at producing they just put their efforts into different aspects of tunes when producing.


borgore is actually quite late on the brostep trend compared to other producers, although he is getting probably the most popularity know in the states.

I blame rinseballs entirely.

Molzie wrote:I blame rinseballs entirely.

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rinseballs21 wrote:to end this debate compare these two tunes



can you hear the difference???? on is brostep, the other is hype dubstep done right

Perfect examples!

wow you guys get really but hurt when i use negative terms lol

Darqwan started brostep when he made Said The Spider in 2002.

pikeymobile wrote:Darqwan started brostep when he made Said The Spider in 2002.

mate...its not about who did it first...its about who made the track that people responded to the most...thats why i still say spongebob and cockney thug started it

legend4ry wrote:it gets a lot of dislike from me is because its just bought a lot of formalistic qualities into the sound and the biggest thing for me still, 6 years deep into this scene is that you can do what you want at a rough 140ish tempo with deep sub bass... I don't want people to think you have to conform to rules to make Dubstep or even think that the sound is one-track minded.

this...a good example i have is new years eve and when mala was playing his set and played livin' different...some dude come up to me and was complaining that he hadn't played anything good (mala that is) and there were no drop...i mean, everyone has a right to their opinion but all i could do was turn back around cos i seriously wanted to that dude...

slanguage wrote:

pikeymobile wrote:Darqwan started brostep when he made Said The Spider in 2002.

mate...its not about who did it first...its about who made the track that people responded to the most...thats why i still say spongebob and cockney thug started it

WHOOOSH
But still



Vex'd had more of an impact. They brought fucking LOADS of breakcore fans in to dubstep.

There is no-one to blame really, this was always going to happen. This whole 'brostep" thing is really starting to do my head in because it seems that most of the tracks are just a terribly produced regurgitation of what excision & datsik have going on, yet it somehow manages to become so popular that when you search dubstep on youtube mt eden comes up

WTF IS GOING ON!!!

Positive aspects to focus on:
1.for some people brostep will be their gateway to the more original dubstep.
2.the stage is set for some kind of dubstep messiah to appear, make the breakthrough to the charts & unite brosteppas and underground heads alike.
3.a song can only be so filthy before it's just noise, so it has to come to a dead-end & become stale at some point right?

slanguage wrote:

legend4ry wrote:it gets a lot of dislike from me is because its just bought a lot of formalistic qualities into the sound and the biggest thing for me still, 6 years deep into this scene is that you can do what you want at a rough 140ish tempo with deep sub bass... I don't want people to think you have to conform to rules to make Dubstep or even think that the sound is one-track minded.

this...a good example i have is new years eve and when mala was playing his set and played livin' different...some dude come up to me and was complaining that he hadn't played anything good (mala that is) and there were no drop...i mean, everyone has a right to their opinion but all i could do was turn back around cos i seriously wanted to that dude...

I would've stuck his head against the system. Complaining about no "good stuffs" in a Mala set... Just go to Shambhala and STFU then.