...The Fuck, Breakage?

[64hz]

Coincidentally came across this thread listening to Staggered Dub which is a massive track. Like I can understand people not liking the more commercial elements of people's music but it seems the simple answer is to not buy it / listen to it rather than try and force some comparison that's not relevant.

It's not even a new discussion it's being going on forever it happened when Hendrix changed direction between the Experience to the Band of Gypsies, it happened when U2 recorded Rattle and Hum, it seems to me that a producer / artist is entitled to make whatever music they want, liking and buying something they did doesn't entitle you to tell them what to make in the future, you are of course entitled to express an opinion but the faux horror expressed in this thread and others seems a little childish to be honest.

oh sweet, someone who can eloquently express my opinion better than i can.

[hayze99]

To the people non-chalantly patronising anybody who discusses mainstream vs underground music, get over yourselves.

For every comment that even touches upon the subject, there's about 1000 people jumping in to show how incredibly accepting they are, that we should all be united, god save fucking Rihanna. The vegetarians of the underground.

"Psssssht, you guys support the underground? So last year. Try some mainstream. Pffft, artistic integrity is sooooo gone, mate. I was done with that before you even figured it out."

Things have gone past full circle. They've gone full circle and then spiralled off into oblivion and I don't know what is going on anymore.

Well fuck off. I'm going to keep arguing against mainstream music. And religion. And certain scientific ideas I don't agree with. And animals I think are shit, because I'm a fucking badman, and if you don't like it, go suck Lady Gaga's dick.

[deadly_habit]

what i love is the people that are so "underground" in the first place seem to be the first ones to come across/announce the pop/mainstream stuff
half the time i'm unaware of it until someone starts a fuss on here as i don't tend to follow it

[hayze99]

Just to put my ideas forward slightly more eloquently, without telling someone to go suck someone elses dick:

You say to ignore mainstream music regardless of whether you like it. To leave it alone. To leave Britney alone, if you will.

Fine. I'll do that. And then I'll leave politics alone, regardless of whether I like it, because I don't want to ignite any controversy. Also science. And philosophy. Come to think about it, all that stuff I don't actually like, I'll just stop talking about it, because we should all be accepting and hug trees. Well you can go suck Al Gore's dick, cause I 'aint having none of that.

...Sorry

[deadly_habit]

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[64hz]

Artistic credibility? Unless you know breakage personally, how can you make any kind of call on his artistic vision? and lady gagas for that matter?
Music goes beyond artistic credibilty anyway, seeing as its subjective, what someone percieves can be vastly different from the artists intentions.

[-dubson-]

dudes gotta make his pees, if your talented in somethin may aswell make money from it, n people want these kinda tunes

bit of a dangerous attitude to have

why? if you enjoy doing it i dont see why you shouldnt feel that way about it, perhaps fame can get to your head but hopefully breakage wont stop making good songs and becoming a superstar who doesnt give a shit anymore

So what would happen if everyone who thinks they are a talented producer started making tunes simply to make money? Breakage could easily make a living making better tunes than that. I dont know Breakage so dont know his motives behind his movement into more commercial sounding tracks but they sounds fake as anything to me (on the whole).

[deadly_habit]

and i'd hardly call one or two tunes a trend in someones direction
besides there's plenty of time to make commercial oriented and true to your own sound stuff when you can get paid for music full time, which commercial success tends to allow a budget for, just it seems that a lot of artists who achieve success with the mainstream oriented stuff for some reason (financially more than likely) stick just with that sound, there are always exceptions

[capo ultra]

Ibiza twats

[scspkr99]

Just to put my ideas forward slightly more eloquently, without telling someone to go suck someone elses dick:

You say to ignore mainstream music regardless of whether you like it. To leave it alone. To leave Britney alone, if you will.

Fine. I'll do that. And then I'll leave politics alone, regardless of whether I like it, because I don't want to ignite any controversy. Also science. And philosophy. Come to think about it, all that stuff I don't actually like, I'll just stop talking about it, because we should all be accepting and hug trees. Well you can go suck Al Gore's dick, cause I 'aint having none of that.

...Sorry

The thing is there are things you can and can't avoid, you can choose whether to ignore mainstream music which seems eminently sensible given it pisses you off so much wereas it is so much more difficult to ignore mainstream politics given how it impacts your life, to try and draw a comparison between a track you don't like and a government you don't like is to spectacularly miss the point. This is not a philosophical discussion you are having, this is not science this is a rant against a producer who dares to make a track you don't like, to seek out and rant over stuff that doesn't really matter seems pointless and puerile. Personally I prefer not to expose myself to the stuff I don't like where it's possible not to I don't see why you have such an issue with such a simple premise.

[capo ultra]

The thing is there are things you can and can't avoid, you can choose whether to ignore mainstream music which seems eminently sensible given it pisses you off so much wereas it is so much more difficult to ignore mainstream politics given how it impacts your life.

To try and draw a comparison between a track you don't like and a government you don't like is to spectacularly miss the point.

This is not a philosophical discussion you are having, this is not science this is a rant against a producer who dares to make a track you don't like, to seek out and rant over stuff that doesn't really matter seems pointless and puerile.

Personally I prefer not to expose myself to the stuff I don't like where it's possible not to I don't see why you have such an issue with such a simple premise.

If you break it into chunks you can be arsed to read it

[scspkr99]

yeah guess I should have previewed

[hayze99]

Just to put my ideas forward slightly more eloquently, without telling someone to go suck someone elses dick:

You say to ignore mainstream music regardless of whether you like it. To leave it alone. To leave Britney alone, if you will.

Fine. I'll do that. And then I'll leave politics alone, regardless of whether I like it, because I don't want to ignite any controversy. Also science. And philosophy. Come to think about it, all that stuff I don't actually like, I'll just stop talking about it, because we should all be accepting and hug trees. Well you can go suck Al Gore's dick, cause I 'aint having none of that.

...Sorry

The thing is there are things you can and can't avoid, you can choose whether to ignore mainstream music which seems eminently sensible given it pisses you off so much wereas it is so much more difficult to ignore mainstream politics given how it impacts your life, to try and draw a comparison between a track you don't like and a government you don't like is to spectacularly miss the point. This is not a philosophical discussion you are having, this is not science this is a rant against a producer who dares to make a track you don't like, to seek out and rant over stuff that doesn't really matter seems pointless and puerile. Personally I prefer not to expose myself to the stuff I don't like where it's possible not to I don't see why you have such an issue with such a simple premise.

First of all, it was satire, so take it with a pinch of salt, but you are countering what I was trying to emphasise.

So you're trying to say that conversation about politics/philosophy/science is more important than music (art), because they have a greater impact on our lives?

[scspkr99]

So you're trying to say that conversation about politics/philosophy/science is more important than music (art), because they have a greater impact on our lives?

No, after all I'm registered on a music forum. I'd suggest that getting pissed off with politics/philosophy makes more sense than getting pissed off with art you don't like though.

[deadly_habit]

when it comes down to art/music taste it always comes down to

[AllNightDayDream]

don't spoil the legendary dubstep name......

And this is the heart of my problem with you pseudo music "fans"

The name's not yours! Breakage is not yours. Dubstep is not yours! Some people wouldn't like the idea of making the same music over and over again but *GASP* god forbid they try something different. I mean it's just a house tune for chrissakes not even the harder electro people are gobbling up these days.

This is just more bullshit fan entitlement. Breakage made for himself a niche and did it so well he gained a popular following which is his downfall cause dumbasses like those in this thread are gonna judge him for any step he takes outside the little box his "fans" made for him. It's the same shit story for every great artist ever.

All you people are good for is labeling shit and putting things into boxes and claiming this shit like it's yours. I'm not frettin too hard cause the real fans who love the music aren't in it cause it's "underground" like the fucking hipsters, but because the sound speaks to them and they can feel the frequencies resonate in their bodies. Who gives a fuck about names or reputations? Either turn up the subs and jam or find a sewing circle to talk ignorant gossip shit with.

There's so much irony about all this scene/mainstream bullshit. They're both the same thing. Seriously, fuck the scene. Worst thing to come from music. That shit killed the hippies. I could go on for ages about the stupidity of it but i'll just leave it here with my

tldr: a bunch of curse words

[deadly_habit]

oh yea and breakage had a "legendary" name pre dubstep
ffs acid rain final chapter remix anyone? that's still his pinnacle to date if you ask me

[64hz]

is that a remix? think i might have it on a planet mu comp somewhere.

allnightdaydream understands.

[deadly_habit]

is that a remix? think i might have it on a planet mu comp somewhere.

allnightdaydream understands.

yea acid rain is orig by equinox

him and breakage have traded some sick remixes of each other's tunes over the years

[capo ultra]

this is obviously his best track cos its got Newham Generals and Rodigan on it