Solar Storms

[d-T-r]

Something a bit more on topic:

http://www.helioviewer.org/

And yes, back on topic we go on this next page

http://www.spaceweather.com/

[noam]

i read all of that post d-t-r and i agree with you that i also cant really be arsed spending my energy debating what you personally believe, down to the teeth

its cool

i just think with the crop circle thing, its kinda overwhelmingly obvious that since most of them in the world have occurred in one place and literally never occur anywhere else (your argument against this was having me disprove a negative which is impossible and stupid) so yano, im out as far as thats concerned, that desert in oregon looks beautiful btw

and like with most of these things that come up, until i've done my own research im about sceptical argument, not dismissive. Certain things resonate with me personally, certain things dont, but i dont ascribe truth value to anything until its proved rigorously or i simply believe it wholeheartedly

those crop circles however, ARE man-made

anyway, if you want some easy listening on this chillin sunday mornin come check me on the ustream (SPAM SPAM) http://www.ustream.tv/channel/secret-ninjas

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[d-T-r]

i read all of that post d-t-r and i agree with you that i also cant really be arsed spending my energy debating what you personally believe, down to the teeth

its cool

i just think with the crop circle thing, its kinda overwhelmingly obvious that since most of them in the world have occurred in one place and literally never occur anywhere else (your argument against this was having me disprove a negative which is impossible and stupid) so yano, im out as far as thats concerned, that desert in oregon looks beautiful btw

well, we could bring Ley lines into the occasion and choice of location , but we won't I wasn't really trying to get you to disprove a negative either i just mentioned what i did. but yeah, the Sri Yantra is loveeelly.

and like with most of these things that come up, until i've done my own research im about sceptical argument, not dismissive. Certain things resonate with me personally, certain things dont, but i dont ascribe truth value to anything until its proved rigorously or i simply believe it wholeheartedly

I can't argue with that.

those crop circles however, ARE man-made

prove it Man made or not, the question then is, Why make them ? For who ,and for what purpose? It's clearly more than just a bit of crop-trolling/graff for recognition,shit's and giggles. These are all quite calculated and informative visuals regardless of the source. I wont even ask you how you think they make them. I'm open to the fact that they probably can be made, but so far not many people can give an accurate explanation of the process it takes to make them. the sticks and rope thing doesnt really match up with the more complex ones. but again, we don't really need to go down this route. The importance is within the pictures themselves.

anyway, if you want some easy listening on this chillin sunday mornin come check me on the ustream (SPAM SPAM) http://www.ustream.tv/channel/secret-ninjas

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seeing as you were so spam-sure , and i enjoyed the mix in your sig, i will actually tune in

[jugo]

prove it Man made or not, the question then is, Why make them ? For who ,and for what purpose? It's clearly more than just a bit of crop-trolling/graff for recognition,shit's and giggles. These are all quite calculated and informative visuals regardless of the source. I wont even ask you how you think they make them. I'm open to the fact that they probably can be made, but so far not many people can give an accurate explanation of the process it takes to make them. the sticks and rope thing doesnt really match up with the more complex ones. but again, we don't really need to go down this route. The importance is within the pictures themselves.

they're not so hard. you just need time and some friends.
being creative, and getting outside interest is rewarding enough for some people.
for the same reason some people like doing hoaxes - piltdown man, Cottingley Fairies, Alien Autopsy, Feejee Mermaid, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, etc...

i'd recommend following your own advice regarding proof. search google for vids on how to make them. there are plenty out there.

here's a guy who does them with snow!
http://imgur.com/a/uPe7s

[noam]

people do them in sand aswell

Jim Denevan




all freehand btw, with one stick, no measuring used except with his own eyes, and all done in one day during low tide.

those two are both spirals aswell, albeit not perfect due to the lack of measuring tools, but still, if you wana get symbolic about it spirals are related to the golden ratio which has about as much mystical significance as ther geometric shapes considered in crop circles

[d-T-r]

There are vids out there, but never any demonstrated to the level of some of the more complex ones out there which involve more complex spiral/vortex . time-frame aswell.

The purely straight or purely spherical ones are easy enough to figure out. Some are much much easier to imagine the creation of than others.There was something i read before about measured radiation anomalies at some of the crop circles too. Will have to try and dig it out.

Again, we don't really need to make it too much about the how, because there's a lack of proof or disproof for anything. If we ignored for 1 second the how, and then shifted emphasis on to the actual designs them selves, that's where it gets interesting. Why are these motif's deliberately continued through out the ages? and at such unmissable scales. We can see it's hinting at a functional purpose as apposed to just aesthetic reasons. i mainly refer to the ones involving sacred geometry, Celestial Alignments and other ones with encoded data.

[noam]

There are vids out there, but never any demonstrated to the level of some of the more complex ones out there which involve more complex spiral/vortex . time-frame aswell.

The purely straight or purely spherical ones are easy enough to figure out. Some are much much easier to imagine the creation of than others.There was something i read before about measured radiation anomalies at some of the crop circles too. Will have to try and dig it out.

Again, we don't really need to make it too much about the how, because there's a lack of proof or disproof for anything. If we ignored for 1 second the how, and then shifted emphasis on to the actual designs them selves, that's where it gets interesting. Why are these motif's deliberately continued through out the ages? and at such unmissable scales. We can see it's hinting at a functional purpose as apposed to just aesthetic reasons. i mainly refer to the ones involving sacred geometry, Celestial Alignments and other ones with encoded data.

you answered the question yourself

ones to do with astronomy, are exactly that, before we had watches and digital clocks we had the sky - WHY DID ANCIENT CIVILISATIONS PUT SO MUCH THOUGHT INTO THE STARS?!?!?!

cos its literally all they had in order to know when to plant crops etc.

stars were Gods, the coming of certain celestial entities signified periods of affluence and poverty

and regards the Ley Lines, if they were that important and being performed by extra-dimensional celestial beings i reckon they could do a little better than scattering a few of them near Stone Henge....

ofcourse, as humans, we naturally look for patterns everywhere, so we might say crop circles fit certain criteria to fall in line with mystical or alien concepts; or we might take pleasure in mathematic/geometric patterns and create them wherever possible....

[d-T-r]

Also, some of the more complex ones i was referring to hint at the relationship between transverse magnetic and electric waves. which i imagine are a lot harder to recreate accurately from the ground but again it's more about the conecpt as apposed to metho.





things linked to to untapped energy, light and photos and electromagnetism that Tesla/Planck etc probably knew about

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/electr ... +radiation

some relate to dna and molecular bonds and all sorts. who ever does the, is dedicated to both their science as well as their art



I cant fully explain all of the above in detail but it's definitely interesting stuff that i think can't just be longed off just because it hints to some things beyond us humans current grasping.

And Noam," cos its literally all they had in order to know when to plant crops etc." is massively massively under valuing what they knew and i think you know that. these guys were a lot more than just primitive farmers paying homage to the stars. We're talking entire civilization frameworks globally distributed and complex structures with construction methods and accuracy we can barely recreate today.

'the coming of certain celestial entities' as you put it, actually signaled the earth's 26000 axis precession which they all knew about. they continually highlight it because there's some importance to it which we're currently experiencing first hand.

And you say they can do a little better, i guess that's subjective to your own expectations, but i think they've done a pretty good job considering

yes humans look for patterns everywhere. we measure,out there, in here.We take pleasure in geometry nit just because its visually pleasing, but because we know it's the building blocks of matter. geometry engages both hemispheres which seems to spin us out a bit too much on the whole.

People have a hard time dealing with mysticism but a lot of it is pointing to scientific phenomenon despite it happening through mystical/undisclosded circumstances.

lot's of puzzle pieces out there anyway, the more we find, the bigger the puzzle we realize we're discovering. It's foolish to rule everything out with 'rationalism' when every thing we do is the byproduct of 'mystery' in the first place.

i don't have all the answers anyway and again, everyone is cool to believe what they want. i just think its always importance to shift awareness to what we dont know, or what we're currently learning (as a planet). People assume that these ideas exist only on the fringe of mainstream views and science but it couldnt be further from the truth. It was like that once upon a time, but not at the moment.

Lots of things for us all to learn anyway. Learning and evolution don't stop. once we all realize we are in control of the speed and direction,and actually engage in asking the un-askable, that's where the progress lays.

Not gonna continue 'arguing' or debating it all. I have a ridiculous level of Optimism for Humanity and that's the byproduct of what we have grown to feel, not just what we have grown to think.

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[d-T-r]

Something a bit more on topic:

http://www.helioviewer.org/

And yes, back on topic we go on this next page

http://www.spaceweather.com/

and again

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/

[Ricky_Spanish]

Nuclear weapons can compromise the earths axial tilt, which is why they won't allow any purposeful nuclear attacks anymore.That's one example of positive contact but there are countless other examples of more personal contact, but sadly they all provoke the brave ongoing attempt to restore the comedy value of tin foil

So your 'evidence' regarding extra-terrestrial contact amounts to, saying they [e.t.] won't allow any more nuclear tests.

I don't really think I can conduct a discussion with someone whose standard of proof (or even circumstantial evidence) is so preposterously miniscule, to the point of non-existence. And I'm talking about almost everything you have typed.

Your expectations for a 'type' II' civilisation are also rather comedic and uninspired: ie they would travel vast distances to piss about in cornfields, and avert nuclear tests. Why are all hippies so damn egotisical? They almost certainly wouldn't regard us as 'mutually intelligent' or 'civilised'.

An arm of SETI are actually searching dna for encoded messages from e.t's, the point being, that if crop circles (or anyything) had any scientific value whatsoever then as soon as they were discovered they would be quarantined and a whole manner of experts would extract every piece of information. The only thing larger than the ego of a hippy is the thirst for truth from scientific minds.

Random prediction: I bet you think that the vacuum can be a source of free energy?

[d-T-r]

I'm not gonna get into any thing anymore or bother replying to any of that Bringer.You wouldn't like it anyway and we would just go around in more circles

I have my own reasons to feel quite content at the moment having experienced some of the things which have lead to some of my insights and general outlook on the universe. I really don't say that (or anything else) in an egotistical way either because that would completely defeat the purpose of what i believe in.

I have nothing to prove or disprove here.Y(our) existence is Y(ours) to explore. I'm here to 'help' my self and others where ever i can, and if i can't help ,and what i have said doesn't resonate with you or anyone else, then ignore it and continue with what you were doing and with where you were going.

I've already seen from the past, and from today that when me or others talk about this sort of thing , it causes more disruption and confusion than i think it's actually worth. Still an important exercise for all of us though i guess.

I understand that people want all of the math and science done and on a plate in front of them, and that's something i admittedly cannot supply. If the fragments i point at seem too disjointed, then i guess from your perspective they probably are which i can respect...again it's cool. Use your mind (and body ) how ever you want to

just don't let the society you grow up in, suck the life,fun & mystery out of the universe you live in.

Again, i don't mean for any of this to come across in an egotistical way because i'm always unsure if it does or not. None of us are any better or worse than any one else and progression has always been found through co-existence and co-operation

read between the lines, fill in the blanks etc

Something a bit more on topic:

http://www.helioviewer.org/

And yes, back on topic we go on this next page

http://www.spaceweather.com/

and again

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/

[Dub_freak]

[noam]

And Noam," cos its literally all they had in order to know when to plant crops etc." is massively massively under valuing what they knew and i think you know that. these guys were a lot more than just primitive farmers paying homage to the stars. We're talking entire civilization frameworks globally distributed and complex structures with construction methods and accuracy we can barely recreate today.

'the coming of certain celestial entities' as you put it, actually signaled the earth's 26000 axis precession which they all knew about. they continually highlight it because there's some importance to it which we're currently experiencing first hand.

whoa whoa whoa there i never accused ancient civilizations of ignorance... people back then could read nature like we read books, they could navigate by the sky and the weather whereas your average person today barely knows which side of the earth the sun sets. I think you misunderstood me, what i was saying was its no wonder certain symbols and patterns recur in certain ancient civilizations because they were BOUND to recur - their belief systems centered on certain things and these patterns were discovered or applied in such a way that they were incorporated into those systems. Not that they were stupid and couldn't work out anything more in line with our contemporary beliefs.

by 'they continually highlight it' you mean Mayans right? also maybe Egyptians? both of whom worshipped the Sun?? and im sure most translations of the Mayan calender - albeit conservative translations - actually only predict the coming of a new astrological age, not the physical effects of magnetic polarity reversal?

And you say they can do a little better, i guess that's subjective to your own expectations, but i think they've done a pretty good job considering

im talking about supposed celestial beings who want to send us trans-dimensional messages in the form of geometric shapes cut into fields of wheat... if we can put a cruise missile up the arse of a Taliban soldier from 1,000miles away I would hope that 'they' could do a bit better than dotting some nice patterns around a field in Wiltshire... but yeh, that is down to personal opinion, maybe they had a bug in their mainframe or something

yes humans look for patterns everywhere. we measure,out there, in here.We take pleasure in geometry nit just because its visually pleasing, but because we know it's the building blocks of matter. geometry engages both hemispheres which seems to spin us out a bit too much on the whole.

People have a hard time dealing with mysticism but a lot of it is pointing to scientific phenomenon despite it happening through mystical/undisclosded circumstances.

lot's of puzzle pieces out there anyway, the more we find, the bigger the puzzle we realize we're discovering. It's foolish to rule everything out with 'rationalism' when every thing we do is the byproduct of 'mystery' in the first place.

'geometry engages both hemispheres' i agree with this wholeheartedly, dont think it spins people out, think its one of the most natural, instinctive things we perceive. We teach our kids in this way from the moment they're born, the first things they actively learn are shapes and colours.

and yeh people DO have a hard time dealing with Mysticism but people also have a hard time dealing with Science, the difference is that Science backs itself up.

Thats the ONLY difference between the two, and people are mistaken if they think its anything more than that, to the effect that if anything mystical is eventually proved it will BECOME science since science is the method of proving ideas as being correct. Unfortunately that means that mysticism will always concern the unproven or unprovable and its up to people to put their money where their mouth is or keep quiet.

[noam]

dont get me wrong, my scepticism shouldn't be read as cynicism straight away. I actually prefer your thinking and idea's to some arse-candle marauding around a field for shits and giggles, but yano, which one i think is more likely to be true in the face of not knowing is probably the latter than the former.

[Pedro Sánchez]

What about crystal skulls?

[noam]

What about crystal skulls?

[meme]something about seeming legit[/meme]

[d-T-r]

im talking about supposed celestial beings who want to send us trans-dimensional messages in the form of geometric shapes cut into fields of wheat... if we can put a cruise missile up the arse of a Taliban soldier from 1,000miles away I would hope that 'they' could do a bit better than dotting some nice patterns around a field in Wiltshire... but yeh, that is down to personal opinion, maybe they had a bug in their mainframe or something

There's a varying level of contact. crop circles just being one of the most public. Some people do receive direct contact,both physically in the flesh and some people act as a channel and receive messages telepathically. Some inter-dimensional interactions and encounters also take place in the astral plane too how ever mystical and unproven it sounds.

and yeh people DO have a hard time dealing with Mysticism but people also have a hard time dealing with Science, the difference is that Science backs itself up.

Thats the ONLY difference between the two, and people are mistaken if they think its anything more than that, to the effect that if anything mystical is eventually proved it will BECOME science since science is the method of proving ideas as being correct. Unfortunately that means that mysticism will always concern the unproven or unprovable and its up to people to put their money where their mouth is or keep quiet.

Thankfully there are lots of people putting their money where there mouths are,and risking a lot.Lot's of people working on implementing new areas of scientific research + global resource management too. Lot's of people doing the Sociology/psychology leg work to get us all up to speed. Evolutionary speaking, we're about to take a quantum leap

Lots going on in any given moment. Can we perceive it all and provide proof that it's all happening at any given moment? No. does it mean it isn't happening? nope

Like you said,much of what is known today as Science was once in the very same category of mystery we speak of today. The bridge between science and mystery, will always be the mind perceiving the universe. we either burn our own bridges and live in the 'fictional' society we have out grown, or we switch up the track all together (locked on earlier for a while by the way )

Mystical experience leads to scientific investigation. lack of scientific proof and explanation doesn't necessarily mean the mystical experience wasn't simultaneously 'scientific'. I think the mystical and scientific method thing popped up in a few other threads before. one and the same.

the keeping our mouths quiet thing is what maintains the status-quo. If everyone spoke up of their own mystical experiences, (I'm talking 'regular' day to day people too ) im pretty certain a lot of people would share similar stories which would include both self-projected archetypes , but also common incidents which would provide room for scientific exploration.

none of the speculative stuff really matters anyway. What's 'True' will inevitably reveal it's self to and through all of us sooner or later

[noam]

if everyone spoke up of their own mystical experiences it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to whats real or fictional

whats real is what is and peoples experiences are frequently NOT what is but in fact what they simulate in their heads

but yeh, people working on things they believe in is what makes science what it is, and its great, and if those idea's are connected to spiritualism or mysticism then also great

calling something mystical or scientific is just our way of conceptualising certain idea's, and those idea's, in essence boil down to what currently is and what currently is not and thats all there is to it. the more we change from what is not to what is, the bigger and greater our understanding becomes. which can only be a good thing right?

[d-T-r]

it wouldn't make a difference to what is real or fictional, because what is real needs no spokes person, but it would make a difference to the collective participation in finding out what is real to begin with.

and yes, Everything is as we simulate it back to ourselves. psycho-sensory feedback loops.

"The more we change from what is not to what is, the bigger and greater our understanding becomes. which can only be a good thing right?"

Completely.

What im getting at is that we can still utilize and exercise our rational minds, but our minds still have to be open and receptive enough to explore 'irrational' and unknown ideas and concepts in order for more of the unknown to become known. it doesn't mean we believe in every false idea or self projection of what 'is' by any means, just that we don't dismiss something from the start which is what we have a tendency to do.

In order to bring more back into our comfort zones, we have to continually leap out of it.

[Kochari]

Do you think maybe these things sound crazy because we've always had access to one specific subdivision of life, until now? Previously you might have to study for a long time to gain understanding in one topic. Now I think we're less specialised; thanks to things like the internet, education and just people generally opening up we all have at least a passing understanding of science, maths, philosophy etc. Synthesis of ideas seems to be the key theme of this time, change is occurring but its all a combination of past things coming together to form one big change. This has been true on a large scale (Arab spring, London riots, etc) and on a personal level for me. I seem to be meeting more and more people who are just willing to talk and further our understandings from seeing another perspective. This in turn makes me want to talk more, and it builds and builds. These small connections lead on to more and soon there is a big connection. Richard Feynman - "Its not complicated, theres just a lot of it"

The interconnectedness of things -