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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by legend4ry » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:07 pm

I want a hug from Wub :(. Hahah!



Anyways, since ive been a bit of a moany tnuc - heres a trick what isn't that "Dungeon" but it sounds great in Dungeon tracks.

FL users :

Load up 3xosc - 1 oscilator - Sine wave.

Turn CRS all the way left.

Play the notes : D4, C5, D5 as a chord.

Load a fruity bloody over drive, put it to the preset *Drive*

Load a fruity Reverb 2 - ER to 0 - Dry to 50% - wet to 90% : set the low cutt to around 300-400hz

Load another fruity blood over drive put it to "drive" again.

Raise the attack on the 3xosc to 10-o-clock, HOld, full right, Dec in the middle, Sus full, release 10-o-clock.

Press play.

Example.

Soundcloud


Without the reverb, theres your basics to a "dungeon" sound, resample it and stuff :).
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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by wub » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:09 pm

legend4ry wrote:I want a hug from Wub :(. Hahah!
You had one last Saturday, don't get greedy ;)

legend4ry wrote:Anyways, since ive been a bit of a moany tnuc - heres a trick what isn't that "Dungeon" but it sounds great in Dungeon tracks.

FL users :

Load up 3xosc - 1 oscilator - Sine wave.

Turn CRS all the way left.

Play the notes : D4, C5, D5 as a chord.

Load a fruity bloody over drive, put it to the preset *Drive*

Load a fruity Reverb 2 - ER to 0 - Dry to 50% - wet to 90% : set the low cutt to around 300-400hz

Load another fruity blood over drive put it to "drive" again.

Raise the attack on the 3xosc to 10-o-clock, HOld, full right, Dec in the middle, Sus full, release 10-o-clock.

Press play.

Example.

Soundcloud

Something to try tonight :D

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Fbac » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:16 pm

This threads looking good ^^
Cant think of anything to add or question but i remember that reasens advanced reverb unit had some cool efx presets... would be worth checking out.
Likeing the 4 diffrent filters and automating between them that sounds cool ^^
The Saw films seem a good place to get some dark audio samples ^^ remember "otherside" did a Kontact pack of them ages ago.
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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by kejk » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:19 am

You guys are often over-thinking this whole "dungeon" sound.

A very good way to make something sound moody is modulating the volume. Yes, simply using an amplitude envelope can add so much to a boring sound!
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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Dyssomnia » Fri May 06, 2011 9:18 am

legend4ry wrote:I want a hug from Wub :(. Hahah!



Anyways, since ive been a bit of a moany tnuc - heres a trick what isn't that "Dungeon" but it sounds great in Dungeon tracks.

FL users :

Load up 3xosc - 1 oscilator - Sine wave.

Turn CRS all the way left.

Play the notes : D4, C5, D5 as a chord.

Load a fruity bloody over drive, put it to the preset *Drive*

Load a fruity Reverb 2 - ER to 0 - Dry to 50% - wet to 90% : set the low cutt to around 300-400hz

Load another fruity blood over drive put it to "drive" again.

Raise the attack on the 3xosc to 10-o-clock, HOld, full right, Dec in the middle, Sus full, release 10-o-clock.

Press play.

Example.

Soundcloud


Without the reverb, theres your basics to a "dungeon" sound, resample it and stuff :).
I just found out how amazingly useful this post is, thnx Ledge!
Gonna try and make it in reason/ableton now :)

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by legend4ry » Fri May 06, 2011 12:50 pm

^ essentally, you want to over-drive distort your sine and the Fruity Bloody Over Drive is very 'middy' sounding so maybe if you can use a multiband distortion unit it'll work just as well :D!
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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by PERCEPT » Fri May 06, 2011 12:57 pm

Soundcloud

I guess this has a similiar vibe to some of the 'dungeon' sounding tracks, but wouldn't say it's the same thing. Still a major WIP though.

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Steve_French » Fri May 06, 2011 11:06 pm

check out the track in my sig, its the dungeon sort of sound at 170 (ala Abstract elements), then there's a switch up to 140. PS thats the sound i was saying i would post a massive patch and absynth etc, but never bothered to, so if anyone wants the patch hit me up

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Rekah » Sat May 07, 2011 11:18 am

JFK wrote:Individual likes/dislikes aside, I am hugely enthusiastic about this sound as it represents a return to the origianl days of dubstep. Space, pace and bass. End of.

If anyone is interested in collabs/feedback/sample swaps etc etc drop me a line.
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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Marsh Mal » Sat May 07, 2011 1:47 pm

Great to see everyone contributing!

Ive really learnt some great techniques, especially the Z-Plane filters. Thanks alot Wub!

Ive also got some nice sounding drawn out filter sound after discovering more about editing envelopes, its great to finally get something you are pleased with.

Ive got a new question now, just wondering whether anyone can point me in the right direction as to how to create a similar sound to that in Mr Lager's track 'The Sea'; im looking for the gritty sound that can be heard in the video at around 0.31. Its quite a commonly used sound shape I think, quite a few deep and dark producers have something similar. Kryptic Minds and Distance are definitely keen this sort of sound!



Thanks in advance! :4:

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Dyssomnia » Sat May 07, 2011 10:09 pm

Marsh Mal wrote:Great to see everyone contributing!

Ive really learnt some great techniques, especially the Z-Plane filters. Thanks alot Wub!

Ive also got some nice sounding drawn out filter sound after discovering more about editing envelopes, its great to finally get something you are pleased with.

Ive got a new question now, just wondering whether anyone can point me in the right direction as to how to create a similar sound to that in Mr Lager's track 'The Sea'; im looking for the gritty sound that can be heard in the video at around 0.31. Its quite a commonly used sound shape I think, quite a few deep and dark producers have something similar. Kryptic Minds and Distance are definitely keen this sort of sound!



Thanks in advance! :4:
In which DAW did you make a real z-plane filter?
I'm interested in making one myself :)
As for the sound you asked about, I'll take a look at it tomorrow ;)

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Rekah » Mon May 09, 2011 8:07 am

does anyone have any tips on how to make your tracks sound alot fuller, like if you listen to spmc's tracks he has fuck all going on in his tracks but yet they seem so full

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by JFK » Mon May 09, 2011 9:54 am

Rekah wrote:does anyone have any tips on how to make your tracks sound alot fuller, like if you listen to spmc's tracks he has fuck all going on in his tracks but yet they seem so full
He is carefully choosing the few elements he uses to ensure they fill up the frquency spectrum. Coupled with careful eqing and long reverbs and delays to blend the atmospheric elements together.

If you post and audio example mate we can give you some mixdown advice if you like :)

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Dyssomnia » Mon May 09, 2011 9:54 am

Rekah wrote:does anyone have any tips on how to make your tracks sound alot fuller, like if you listen to spmc's tracks he has fuck all going on in his tracks but yet they seem so full
Reverb, pads, accidental FX, blips, echo, white noise ran through an automated filter, sucked in effects, a lot of hi hats/rides and difference in length of a drum thingy. For example: Bar 1 has the same pattern as Bar 2, but Bar 2's snare is 120 ms long and bar 1's snare is 70 ms long. A pattern could go like this: Bar 1 bar 1 bar2 bar1. Same kinda pattern, but still catchy. *cough trust nobody*

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by JFK » Mon May 09, 2011 10:14 am

Dyssomnia wrote: Same kinda pattern, but still catchy. *cough trust nobody*
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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by NilsFG » Mon May 09, 2011 4:18 pm

Dyssomnia wrote:
Rekah wrote:does anyone have any tips on how to make your tracks sound alot fuller, like if you listen to spmc's tracks he has fuck all going on in his tracks but yet they seem so full
Reverb, pads, accidental FX, blips, echo, white noise ran through an automated filter, sucked in effects, a lot of hi hats/rides and difference in length of a drum thingy. For example: Bar 1 has the same pattern as Bar 2, but Bar 2's snare is 120 ms long and bar 1's snare is 70 ms long. A pattern could go like this: Bar 1 bar 1 bar2 bar1. Same kinda pattern, but still catchy. *cough trust nobody*
I always thought he would layer an extra incidental with reverb underneath the snare at the 3d bar.

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Dyssomnia » Mon May 09, 2011 6:41 pm

NilsFG wrote: I always thought he would layer an extra incidental with reverb underneath the snare at the 3d bar.
Yea, all of this is possible, but I took the song Trust Nobody as an example. He uses a lot more techniques than the ones I described :)

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Rekah » Wed May 11, 2011 5:02 pm

anyone got any tips on creating pads/leads, i always find this doesnt really get asked about. Kryptic minds one of us album describes what im after perfectly the synths in that album are just really dark, also the little synth stabs that are in the one of us track are amazing ive always tried to recreate these but i fail miserably, they sound like a kind of dub techno kind of pad but alot darker. they come in right from the drop and carry on all the way through the track

i hope all that makes sense

JFK ill hit you up soon ive noticed a few things that i want to change in my track before i send it about again

edit : could someone direct me towards some kick samples they would recommend i dont mind if there free or not, all the kicks i have are really punchy kicks ive eq'ed them and they still sound overpowering and far too punchy

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Steve_French » Wed May 11, 2011 7:48 pm

Rekah wrote:anyone got any tips on creating pads/leads, i always find this doesnt really get asked about. Kryptic minds one of us album describes what im after perfectly the synths in that album are just really dark, also the little synth stabs that are in the one of us track are amazing ive always tried to recreate these but i fail miserably, they sound like a kind of dub techno kind of pad but alot darker. they come in right from the drop and carry on all the way through the track

i hope all that makes sense

JFK ill hit you up soon ive noticed a few things that i want to change in my track before i send it about again

edit : could someone direct me towards some kick samples they would recommend i dont mind if there free or not, all the kicks i have are really punchy kicks ive eq'ed them and they still sound overpowering and far too punchy
have you tried filtering them and using an amplitude envelope? if you cutoff above about 300hz (lowpass) and have a slight attack, you should loose some of the punch

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Re: The 'help me make that dungeon sound' thread

Post by Rekah » Wed May 11, 2011 8:21 pm

goodeh wrote:
Rekah wrote:anyone got any tips on creating pads/leads, i always find this doesnt really get asked about. Kryptic minds one of us album describes what im after perfectly the synths in that album are just really dark, also the little synth stabs that are in the one of us track are amazing ive always tried to recreate these but i fail miserably, they sound like a kind of dub techno kind of pad but alot darker. they come in right from the drop and carry on all the way through the track

i hope all that makes sense

JFK ill hit you up soon ive noticed a few things that i want to change in my track before i send it about again

edit : could someone direct me towards some kick samples they would recommend i dont mind if there free or not, all the kicks i have are really punchy kicks ive eq'ed them and they still sound overpowering and far too punchy
have you tried filtering them and using an amplitude envelope? if you cutoff above about 300hz (lowpass) and have a slight attack, you should loose some of the punch
i havent thought of that, nice 1 ill give that a go

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