SCORN DUBSTEP!

[sprash]

That chap you quoted comes across as completely up his own arse though still. Overconfidence and self importance combined total ignorance isn't brilliant.

Not that it matters, but "that chap" is the guy who invented grindcore along with Mick Harris and Justin Broadrick back in 1982...
Wikipedia on Nicholas Bullen

[sprash]

That chap you quoted comes across as completely up his own arse though still. Overconfidence and self importance combined total ignorance isn't brilliant.

Funny, because he comes across pretty intelligent to me and you...... well, you know how you come across...

Not that it matters, but "that chap" is the guy who invented grindcore along with Mick Harris and Justin Broadrick back in 1982...
Wikipedia on Nicholas Bullen

[thomas edison]

HOT SHIT, was waiting for this


scorn is almost dubstep, except for the snare placement. But then again, i mostly like non halfstep dubstep anyway

[parson]

mick is a don

and snare placement has got nothin to do with anything at all

[beez]

Holy shit how did I miss this wonderful news?!

Mick Harris runs things. Check his 'Gyral' album for examples

[parson]

me n beez were bumpin scorn back in the mid 90s

[beez]

Bass addiction starts early

[ufo over easy]

That chap you quoted comes across as completely up his own arse though still. Overconfidence and self importance combined total ignorance isn't brilliant.

Not that it matters, but "that chap" is the guy who invented grindcore along with Mick Harris and Justin Broadrick back in 1982...
Wikipedia on Nicholas Bullen

I know who Scorn are. Just because something sounds similar to something else does not imply that it had anything to do with its creation. A sonic link is just that and nothing more. Scorn didn't have anything to do with the social conditions that led to dubstep, because as others have said, he was off doing his own thing. If he'd been messing around in the studio with Benny Ill in Croydon then maybe, but as it stands, his earlier music, before he decided to actively participate in the scene via stormfield, is well outside the trajectory of dubstep.


As an aside, being an important musical figure doesn't excuse being a dick.

So much of these London scenes are communities, so producers that other producers know are the ones they know from common raves or through friends or shared studio space. When the social connection - i.e. from Mick Harris to Skream - becomes more distant than the musical one, often there is no connection.

[sprash]

I know who Scorn are. Just because something sounds similar to something else does not imply that it had anything to do with its creation. A sonic link is just that and nothing more.

Sorry, but I beg to differ. Everyone knows he did not develop the dubstep 'scene'... he developed the sound even before the scene existed. If he invented the sound, he need not have necessarily contributed to the development of the scene. They are 2 seperate acts.

He was off doing his own thing.

If I know him well, thats what he will always do. Never a 'scene' chaser.

before he decided to actively participate in the scene via stormfield, is well outside the trajectory of dubstep.

By releasing on Combat, I know he is not looking to break into the dubstep 'scene'. Its not as if he went looking around for a 'dubstep' label... he was asked to create 2 tracks for combat which would be remixed on side 2... brilliant idea if you ask me... the 'scene' owes it to him...as you also agree there is a solid sonic connection --- he was there years before the 'scene' developed.

If you heard the tracks, they are still 100% scorn. No step wiring.

As an aside, being an important musical figure doesn't excuse being a dick.

Do you think he cares what you/others think of him? You like belittling others (in their absence) thereby attempting to show you're 'above and beyond'... Where in this discussion about his music were we talking about his personality?

What do the following belittling statements say about your personality?

That chap you quoted comes across as completely up his own arse though still.

As an aside, being an important musical figure doesn't excuse being a dick.

I would also suggest that if he wants anything he writes about 'scholarly' writing to be taken seriously, he should invest in a spell checker. Maybe a special, intertextual spellchecker to challenge his mighty intellect.

to me you come across as a self-righteous prick who speaks ($hit) more than 'achieves'....

[jim]

You really come across as a prick here tbh.

[jim]

And with only 12 posts. Well done.

[stormfield]

Not gonna get stuck into a long-winded academic debate about dubstep sociology here.. full-on dayjob vibes...

But I think Sprach makes a fair point regarding the connection, at least sonically.

Scorn's work and what's come to be known as 'dubstep' is connected at a much deeper level, namely dub music itself. Wide open spaces, miles of reverb, layers upom layers of delay, dyamics, huge heavy basslines, powerful beats, restrained rhythms.

As a lot of you know, dub music's influenced a whole load of dance music (and is worth a whole other thread in itself) includng techno (monolake etc), house (Francois K anyone?), garage, idm, drum n bass, jungle etc etc

No one is saying Scorn is trying to be part of any scene. (his output is more diverse than some entire 'scenes' anyway)

Scenes arise from sounds. Scenes come and go. Good records will remain good records.

To be honest, this kind of discussion gets tiring because it distracts people away from listening to the music and experiencing the sound itself... which is my main point.

Also, once genres have been firmly segragated in your mind, you're less likely to experiment with blending styles. "oh that tune couldn't go into a set... it's not proper this, oh it's proper that". The whole 'peer approval' vibe between some DJs can be a very restrictive thing.

Surely that takes away from the richness of music and DJ'ing?

What attracted me to dubstep was the idea that it was open, and had different sonic influences, surfacing in differnet combinations.

anyway, I'm out of this discussion but will check back in a week.. peace

[ufo over easy]

But I think Sprach makes a fair point regarding the connection, at least sonically.

Yeah me too.. it's fairly undeniable

Scorn's work and what's come to be known as 'dubstep' is connected at a much deeper level, namely dub music itself. Wide open spaces, miles of reverb, layers upom layers of delay, dyamics, huge heavy basslines, powerful beats, restrained rhythms.

Ditto. Dubdubdub. Cracklepopreverb.

To be honest, this kind of discussion gets tiring because it distracts people away from listening to the music and experiencing the sound itself... which is my main point.

Also, once genres have been firmly segragated in your mind, you're less likely to experiment with blending styles. "oh that tune couldn't go into a set... it's not proper this, oh it's proper that". The whole 'peer approval' vibe between some DJs can be a very restrictive thing.

I agree with this too, to a certain extent When scenes become more about limiting your creative output that's never cool.. cough drum and bass..

But so many people have been saying to me "what? dubstep? pah, Scorn was doing that ages ago," that it gets tiring. Although scenes can be limiting, I think it's interesting exploring the sociological conditions that led to them. Thinking about why Scorn and dubstep are such seperate entities despite the obvious sonic connection is far more interesting to me than thinking "Mick Harris just invented the whole game, so shut up".

[sprash]

But so many people have been saying to me "what? dubstep? pah, Scorn was doing that ages ago," that it gets tiring.

I won't go to the extent of looking down condescendingly on any artist. Music is music and just because someone did it first doesn't mean the artist has the exclusive right to it. At the end of the day even MJH is influenced by other artists and other forms of music. No art (or genre of music) exists in a vacuum.

That said, to me its clear that a lot of what Scorn did was way ahead of its time and yes people did follow or get inspired and I can hear that in the sound of many dubstep artists (not a bad thing).

[sprash]

Not gonna get stuck into a long-winded academic debate about dubstep sociology here..
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What attracted me to dubstep was the idea that it was open, and had different sonic influences, surfacing in differnet combinations.

You are spot on Stormfield! The entire post.

[fractal]

good beats that scorn fella

[moldy]

SCORN in NYC... January 10th!!

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=425405

[dronehymns]

I like his blog about hating promoters who try to put him on shitty sound systems and how he hates dubstep. It's all in caps too!

[dronehymns]

I'm also definitely toying around with Burzumesque dubstep. Hazy, misanthropic, bass heavy, shuffled blast beats...

[yong]

HI IM SCORN HOW DO I TYPE WORDS



OH YEA FUCK DUBSTEP