how did this thread go from a stupid joke youtube video with two whitebread ass kids to a thread about who's really gangster when it comes to grime?
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:06 am
by ahier
why do class and ethnicity always have to factor?
who cares what a producer looks like, i'm not trying to fucking date him
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:16 am
by clifford_-
ahier wrote:why do class and ethnicity always have to factor?
who cares what a producer looks like, i'm not trying to fucking date him
exactly, and what does it matter if hes wearing jack wills, or whatever.
theres been alot of waste comments in this thread, and not just the trolling...
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:30 am
by ahier
clifford_- wrote:
ahier wrote:why do class and ethnicity always have to factor?
who cares what a producer looks like, i'm not trying to fucking date him
exactly, and what does it matter if hes wearing jack wills, or whatever.
theres been alot of waste comments in this thread, and not just the trolling...
there really have
and i doubt ed thinks hes grime producer, hes not making grime, its pop with grime vocalists. so yes that does make it more marketable to a mainstream audience, but it doesnt make it bad
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 10:30 am
by capo ultra
kingGhost wrote:how did this thread go from a stupid joke youtube video with two whitebread ass kids to a thread about who's really gangster when it comes to grime?
everyone got trolled hard basically
wolf89 wrote:Wiley is good,
but come on he doesn't lyrically measure up to a lot of hip hop mcs there are/have been.
don't even know where to start with comments like this
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 1:58 pm
by wolf89
^^^ you think Wiley does?
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:00 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
capo ultra wrote:horrible embarrassing posh cun ts
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:19 pm
by capo ultra
wolf89 wrote:^^^ you think Wiley does?
Wiley is one of the most important British artists from any genre today and he is a genuine lyrical genius
hate it when people engage in Grime apologist behaviour, I find the majority of 'intelligent' UK Hip Hop excruciatingly dull and over-contrived tbh
Anyway, sorry I suppose that's a whole nother argument though, didn't mean to sidetrack from:
capo ultra wrote:horrible embarrassing posh cun ts
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:21 pm
by dubloke
wubstep wrote:Why are grime producers always the most ridiculously white middle class kids?
why does it matter where you come from when you're producing music? fair enough if someone's making up shit that they've never done in lyrics and that, but music's music?
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:25 pm
by cityzen
capo ultra wrote:Wiley is one of the most important British artists from any genre today and he is a genuine lyrical genius
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:26 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
dubloke wrote:
wubstep wrote:Why are grime producers always the most ridiculously white middle class kids?
why does it matter where you come from when you're producing music? fair enough if someone's making up shit that they've never done in lyrics and that, but music's music?
i have no issue with someone making beats but its when they affect a lack of affluence leading to them being a bit cheeky and street when well theyre posh and probably got to where they are by being connected and able to do music full time due to moneys mummy
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:39 pm
by jigglypuff
this thread is epic fail crash and burn
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:44 pm
by Neptune
I feel like some fucking Nandos. Extra hot sauce...haloumi cheese...chips...oh my god.
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:21 pm
by wolf89
capo ultra wrote:
wolf89 wrote:^^^ you think Wiley does?
Wiley is one of the most important British artists from any genre today and he is a genuine lyrical genius
hate it when people engage in Grime apologist behaviour, I find the majority of 'intelligent' UK Hip Hop excruciatingly dull and over-contrived tbh
Anyway, sorry I suppose that's a whole nother argument though, didn't mean to sidetrack from:
capo ultra wrote:horrible embarrassing posh cun ts
No you are right. Wiley is the shit and honestly in UK Hip Hop the only mc I rate that much is Jehst.
The point I was trying to make was that this guy was saying I shouldn't only listen to hype grime. I then replied that that's the main thing that's entertaining for me in grime and I personally am going to lisen to hip hop (in general not so much the UK stuff in fact) for lyrical content.
He then said that P Money and Wiley have better lyircal content.
Which I didn't get as if you measure Wiley up to hip hop in general there are many better lyricists. That's not dissing Wiley. I was just saying that realisticly to claim Wiley is better than any hip hop is pushing it to say the least.
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Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:31 pm
by xarcane
I said I'd rather listen to what Wiley/P money with real-life experiences, have to say on a real level than some failed economics student with no life experience like Jehst. He's a good rapper, but I write Palindromes and Sestinas, it has to be a special level of lyrical skill to impress me - it has to tell a story, you can't just be coming out with words that rhyme.
I know about half a dozen real street breddas that are as good as Jehst, and didn't have the opportunities he did, and actually have some life experience - stuff to talk about. Jehst doesn't talk about shit. Example to me is better, he's a national award winning poet, he nearly always tells a story, something I can relate to. Jehst is a very good rapper, but he never tells a story, never talks about anything real, just finds things that rhyme. If a truly great rapper like Lowkey does that, just thinks of things to rhyme instead of saying something meaningful, you get something spectacular like Alphabet Assassin, not just a couple nice metaphors.
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:34 pm
by wolf89
^^ surely the Juggaknots track I posted tells a story though?
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:10 pm
by xarcane
Yeah that Juggaknots track is the one I liked best out of the three. I didn't say they were all shit, just when Ed Sheeran is playing, most grime MCs that usually just talk greeze and hype feel compelled to speak truth, and that to me is why it's one of the best things to come out of grime. That's why I'd prefer to listen to it than Jehst, not because Jehst isn't talented.
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:12 pm
by wolf89
Jehst is a fucking sick producer though. Ed's so cheesy and cheesy sounding
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:35 pm
by arktrix45hz
xarcane wrote:I said I'd rather listen to what Wiley/P money with real-life experiences, have to say on a real level than some failed economics student with no life experience like Jehst. He's a good rapper, but I write Palindromes and Sestinas, it has to be a special level of lyrical skill to impress me - it has to tell a story, you can't just be coming out with words that rhyme.
I know about half a dozen real street breddas that are as good as Jehst, and didn't have the opportunities he did, and actually have some life experience - stuff to talk about. Jehst doesn't talk about shit. Example to me is better, he's a national award winning poet, he nearly always tells a story, something I can relate to. Jehst is a very good rapper, but he never tells a story, never talks about anything real, just finds things that rhyme. If a truly great rapper like Lowkey does that, just thinks of things to rhyme instead of saying something meaningful, you get something spectacular like Alphabet Assassin, not just a couple nice metaphors.
Good luck with getting that egg off your face when the Dragon of an Ordinary Family album drops in two weeks!
Re: Nando's Skank
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 7:32 pm
by herbalicious
xarcane wrote:some failed economics student with no life experience like Jehst.
No life experiences? No life experiences?
You sure you know what you're on about mate? Coz the last time I looked, 'life experience' didn't solely consist of getting stabbed.
Are you 12?
Edit: He just said Example is better than Jehst...definitely 12.
