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gwa wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

gwa wrote:my point is that you pay for what you get.

fashion is an art form. you're paying for the design, the quality of materials and build.

or maybe just the prestige of owning the said item/brand

you get what you pay for in many things i agree...id love a pair or grado1000s or hd800s as ive no doubt theyre light years ahead of the kind of headphones i could afford and would allow me to enjoy music more at home, i just dont see how a coat does this for anything other than add something extra for someone that cares too much

and @magma so you need to spend loads of money to look good?

mate you are one sour fuck i swear.

if you can't handle the questions i'm sorry but it doesnt make me a sour fuck

ive explained my position fully, its there to be taken in....you see and hear what you want to hear

yes the hypocrisy is there too an extent with the vinyl thing BUT i was and am embarrassed of how much i have bought and as a result stopped writing what i had purchased and it was my dirty little guilty secret...now i buy next to nothing..regardless vinyls are not comparable to a coat...i dont merely wear the vinyls while i walk down the street..in fact most people wouldnt even know if i span a vinyl rather than a digital file if they werent paying attention so even in that context its not as if the prestige involved is there for others and to improve my image...regardless instead of buying vinyl i now make my own music to play and get tracks of other people..i create rather than buy someone elses work

we are all hypocrites too an extent including myself but your reactions to me are clearly telling as i touched a nerve a bit

see the built to last thing makes sense but when i asked the question what does the coat do for £300 instead of saying that gwa got all defensive and tried to compare a cdj to a coat

and equipment all performs functions and offer clear qualifiable features for each price point....some people have bigger needs than others etc...theyre there for professionals to buy...i dont see how someone is more of a professional coat wearer than someone else

to me gwa to answer your question there no because buying a coat for the same price as something practical relative to the pricepoint isnt the same thing as paying for relative to the prestige or look of the said item...having said that prestige and image do come into technology as well increasingly but word gets out and people buy other stuf..bose have fallen fast over the last few years for example

you guys are telling me to lighten up and maybe youve got a point we can all learn from each other but maybe you guys need to lighten up and be a bit more open yourselves....anyway enjoy your clothes

yo, quit preachin

you have a chip on your shoulder about social status and wealth, acknowledge that, without writing a flippin essay about it, and lets move on, cos obviously you aint a 'fashion head' to whom the thread was directed, so i dont even get why you came in here and posted other than to make snide comments about something

borin now sonny, jog on

noam wrote:

£10 Bag wrote:

gwa wrote:my point is that you pay for what you get.

fashion is an art form. you're paying for the design, the quality of materials and build.

My point is that you don't really get what you pay for.
Fashion can be art, but generally speaking fashion is business. You're paying for added value and 'cool' factor.
Same as Macbooks, £500 audiophile leads, holistic medicine, glasses without lenses, bottled water, etc - most of the time what you're paying for isn't tangible, its all in your head.

noam wrote:spend £300 on a coat (which aint even that much to be truthful)

What planet are you on?! I'm on planet Cornwall, and here £300 is a week's wages. Nobody in their right mind would work for 5 days non-stop in order to get one item of clothing unless they're in a third world country

im actually a relative of royalty and look down my nose on pedants and peasants such as yourself, having never been antiquated with community of the 'working class' i neither feel your ills or your am subject to your whims, and thus feel no pathos towards ones as pitiful and meek as yourself

get your head out your arse and realise what you're arguing about

you cant see how spending £600 on a computer program to make tunes that'll never get released or make money for 99% of producers is in anyway the same??

its £300 fuckin quid, its the same price as a fucking Ipod or a PS3 or 6 games for a console.

I'm not arguing, just throwing a few ideas round, doing a bit of winding up before I go to sleep. You're the one drawing for naughty words

Anyway, a PS3 is more like £160 brand new and it serves multiple purposes. Web browser, music player, DVD player, Bluray player, games console, media server, fashion/style accessory, etc etc. All a coat does is keep you warm and stylish. 4000+ year old invention.

Software is also a poor comparison. You pay £600 for Logic because you're compensating for the 95% of other people who warez it. If you could download a £300 coat, the price would go up to £3000 to compensate for the clothing warez scene. Also, you can learn things from software and use it to express yourself artistically. Short of buying a coat with a built-in encyclopaedia and guitar, clothes don't do either of those things. Not many bugs to fix with a coat either, and clothes tend to degrade in quality over time unlike software which isn't perishable.

Pistonsbeneath wrote:and @magma so you need to spend loads of money to look good?

Not at all, but the less you're willing to pay, the more time you're probably going to have to spend sorting through endless heaps of rubbish in order to find something worth wearing. I live with girls that can dress themselves to an acceptable standard for a music awards night by spending a day going round thrift markets, but I don't have the time - I'd rather drop a few hundred quid every few months (or maybe even less often than that, tbh... bit of a splurge in winter and one in summer probably) to get half decent clobber without spending my entire life having to think about it.

We all have our vices... but the urge to look good seems a lot more natural than many. I've never really understood why people stigmatise fashion so much... it's as if those who can't be bothered want to force everyone else to compete on the same playing field. It's not our fault you're an ape that's evolved for millions of years specifically to make snap judgements of people by appearance, as well as the empathy to understand others are doing this too yet you've somehow still managed to not give a shit about what you look like to them. That's your disability, not society's.

everything being debated here is just aesthetic preference.

many choose to spend money on music, art, technology, whatever the fuck it is with sonic, visual or graphic design that is pleasing to them on an emotional level.
as soon as it comes to clothes people start getting judgmental because fashion is something stigmatized more--seen less as an appreciation of aesthetic qualities and more as a flashy statement of hipness and wealth--when really, just like anything else all you heads love, it's all about the details.


a simple cut or button or material or manufacturing standard should be worth just as much (and be just as subjectively perceived/respected) as all those special snares and b-lines that drove you to amass a record collection over the years. and if you spend a considerable amount of money on any kind of creative pleasure then it ain't really your place to talk... impracticality is relative and we all indulge in it.

£10 Bag wrote:

noam wrote:

£10 Bag wrote:

gwa wrote:my point is that you pay for what you get.

fashion is an art form. you're paying for the design, the quality of materials and build.

My point is that you don't really get what you pay for.
Fashion can be art, but generally speaking fashion is business. You're paying for added value and 'cool' factor.
Same as Macbooks, £500 audiophile leads, holistic medicine, glasses without lenses, bottled water, etc - most of the time what you're paying for isn't tangible, its all in your head.

noam wrote:spend £300 on a coat (which aint even that much to be truthful)

What planet are you on?! I'm on planet Cornwall, and here £300 is a week's wages. Nobody in their right mind would work for 5 days non-stop in order to get one item of clothing unless they're in a third world country

im actually a relative of royalty and look down my nose on pedants and peasants such as yourself, having never been antiquated with community of the 'working class' i neither feel your ills or your am subject to your whims, and thus feel no pathos towards ones as pitiful and meek as yourself

get your head out your arse and realise what you're arguing about

you cant see how spending £600 on a computer program to make tunes that'll never get released or make money for 99% of producers is in anyway the same??

its £300 fuckin quid, its the same price as a fucking Ipod or a PS3 or 6 games for a console.

I'm not arguing, just throwing a few ideas round, doing a bit of winding up before I go to sleep. You're the one drawing for naughty words

Anyway, a PS3 is more like £160 brand new and it serves multiple purposes. Web browser, music player, DVD player, Bluray player, games console, media server, fashion/style accessory, etc etc. All a coat does is keep you warm and stylish. 4000+ year old invention.

Software is also a poor comparison. You pay £600 for Logic because you're compensating for the 95% of other people who warez it. If you could download a £300 coat, the price would go up to £3000 to compensate for the clothing warez scene. Also, you can learn things from software and use it to express yourself artistically. Short of buying a coat with a built-in encyclopaedia and guitar, clothes don't do either of those things. Not many bugs to fix with a coat either, and clothes tend to degrade in quality over time unlike software which isn't perishable.

lol

look, this is gettin quite dry, but for now, you OBVIOUSLY work with computers a lot, thats your thing, you care about your... computer

to SOME people, caring about your computer, or your games console, or you ability to surf the web, is just nonexistant, you see that right - despite the benefits you may perceive by bein able to do those things, some people, just dont care...

SOME people, like spending money they've earned on clothes, clothes that are made of nice fabrics, clothes that fit well and last a long time, clothes that look good and make you feel good when you wear them, clothes that you can potentially pass down to your kids

my dad owned a Levi's market stall on a Bazaar in manchester in the 80's, i have LOADS of levi's stuff from then, i love it, i said about my mums family, my dad used to be a photographer, and do fashion photography, its something i understand to an extent, both its pro's and its con's, and its something i care about a bit, but not as much as say, music or film

discussing the utility of aesthetics kind of defeats the point of appreciation

noam wrote:discussing the utility of aesthetics kind of defeats the point of appreciation

BANG

Tbh, if you don't "get it" with fashion, then lucky you... you'll have more spare cash to spend on alcohol and heroin so you can imagine your wife's wearing Agent Provocateur on Christmas Eve instead of the hemp girdle your Aunt knitted her.

If you got the cash, then do it. I've thrown down a few bills on coats before and they've lasted me for years. Still have them actually.

magma wrote:
Tbh, if you don't "get it" with fashion, then lucky you... you'll have more spare cash to spend on alcohol and heroin so you can imagine your wife's wearing Agent Provocateur on Christmas Eve instead of the hemp girdle your Aunt knitted her.

Just to change it up a bit. I dunno who posted it but there is no way on earth you could get a decent tailored jacket for £300

one of my mates is a tailor & I swear they wouldnt even get out of bed for that money!

Anyway im gonna spend the next few days wearing a £300 jacket Socks from M&S playing on My PS3 Xbox & having a super mix on my Alan & heath Mixer CDJ2000's & Technic 1210 mk5's. So beat that!

Just returned from the tailors, having a new suit fitted. That suit will last ten years easy. Edit: I'm currently having a bourbon on the rocks, thinking about gwa's £300 coat. Life is good, friend.

noam wrote: discussing the utility of aesthetics kind of defeats the point of appreciation

Clothes aren't aesthetics primarily though. I'd hazard a guess that early man invented clothes when he was cold, not when he was thinking of something to do to make himself "feel good" or "pass down to the kids".

I honestly don't care how much you or anyone else spends on their clothes. It is unlikely to affect me. All I do know is that ALL the people I personally know whom are majorly hung-up and defensive about fashion/brands/labels/etc are shallow dickheads. On the flip-side, now I come to think about it, the most humble, interesting and kind people I know normally have 3 or 4 scruffy t-shirts and a hoody on rotation and they've got enough interesting shit to say that the thought of their clothing choice hadn't really crossed my mind until now.

£10 Bag wrote:

noam wrote: discussing the utility of aesthetics kind of defeats the point of appreciation

Clothes aren't aesthetics primarily though. I'd hazard a guess that early man invented clothes when he was cold, not when he was thinking of something to do to make himself "feel good" or "pass down to the kids".

I honestly don't care how much you or anyone else spends on their clothes. It is unlikely to affect me. All I do know is that ALL the people I personally know whom are majorly hung-up and defensive about fashion/brands/labels/etc are shallow dickheads. On the flip-side, now I come to think about it, the most humble, interesting and kind people I know normally have 3 or 4 scruffy t-shirts and a hoody on rotation and they've got enough interesting shit to say that the thought of their clothing choice hadn't really crossed my mind until now.

FASHION is about aesthetics

all clothes are designed, utility plays a role in them, as does fashion

its well simple, there's a whole industry based around it

paintings serve a function, to be painted and observed, its naive and ignorant to think there's nothing more to it

you can get dem pringle socks from ASOS
3 for 10

good deal imo

Big look incinic. Draw 4 da 3 pack boxers selecta

hnm iv not go pringle boxers yet
seems like a good double
neec to wear my jeans low to show that band doe

belalala wrote:impracticality is relative and we all indulge in it.

Exactly. You're all as bad as each other.

I got a gangsta ass hat from the trash

or rubbish as we say in tasmania

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