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I don't think piracy is just to do with price. A lot of times piracy can be about availability and accessability as well. With the release of a program like Steam piracy on games declined. Granted not by a huge margin but it did see a decline. When things like itunes and beatport went online a lot of music piracy diminished. I don't think I've pirated music in years. Now that I pay for a program like spotify I really have no reason to.

The good thing is, with production software developers, I think a lot more of them are beginning to understand that having lower prices may yield a higher return. Reaper is very much a high end product, but by offering the product at 60 dollars they are most likely seeing a higher return through sales. There's also tons of great synths and effect plugins out there that are in a very reasonable price range. Hell I think you can still buy Z3ta+ for like 20 dollars. The main problem I think a lot of those products have is they don't have much in marketing.

JBE wrote:I don't think piracy is just to do with price. A lot of times piracy can be about availability and accessability as well. With the release of a program like Steam piracy on games declined. Granted not by a huge margin but it did see a decline. When things like itunes and beatport went online a lot of music piracy diminished. I don't think I've pirated music in years. Now that I pay for a program like spotify I really have no reason to.

The good thing is, with production software developers, I think a lot more of them are beginning to understand that having lower prices may yield a higher return. Reaper is very much a high end product, but by offering the product at 60 dollars they are most likely seeing a higher return through sales. There's also tons of great synths and effect plugins out there that are in a very reasonable price range. Hell I think you can still buy Z3ta+ for like 20 dollars. The main problem I think a lot of those products have is they don't have much in marketing.

It's so easy to buy games on steam, there servers are really fast for downloading and it installs as it downloads. Steam is the only reason I don't pirate games any more. For me at least it isn't about price it's about how easy it is to get the product

JBE wrote: I don't think I've pirated music in years. Now that I pay for a program like spotify I really have no reason to.

Spotify and streaming services are like a new form of piracy that benefits a corporation, not labels or artists or record shops. They pay the artists crumbs if they are lucky, labels have been paid roughly 5 grand for 1 million streams and that has to be divided up amongst the label even before the artist gets paid (some figures have been released by angry independent labels). For example lots of people record it then never click it again, like the youtube downloader software.

wormcode wrote:

JBE wrote: I don't think I've pirated music in years. Now that I pay for a program like spotify I really have no reason to.

Spotify and streaming services are like a new form of piracy that benefits a corporation, not labels or artists or record shops. They pay the artists crumbs if they are lucky, labels have been paid roughly 5 grand for 1 million streams and that has to be divided up amongst the label even before the artist gets paid (some figures have been released by angry independent labels). For example lots of people record it then never click it again, like the youtube downloader software.

It's not a form of piracy though. Labels have to submit the music to the company. If they don't want the music there they can simply choose not to do so. They can't be that angry if they continue to offer their music to the company.

JBE wrote:

wormcode wrote:

JBE wrote: I don't think I've pirated music in years. Now that I pay for a program like spotify I really have no reason to.

Spotify and streaming services are like a new form of piracy that benefits a corporation, not labels or artists or record shops. They pay the artists crumbs if they are lucky, labels have been paid roughly 5 grand for 1 million streams and that has to be divided up amongst the label even before the artist gets paid (some figures have been released by angry independent labels). For example lots of people record it then never click it again, like the youtube downloader software.

It's not a form of piracy though. Labels have to submit the music to the company. If they don't want the music there they can simply choose not to do so. They can't be that angry if they continue to offer their music to the company.

That's true, they can opt out but what I mean was those services quickly becoming the norm isn't a good thing so far in terms of revenue and just gives people less and less reason to buy music at all. The positive side could be more exposure, but I think it's too new to tell yet. So far I've read or heard mostly negative stories from labels, but it depends on what their goal with it is. Also, you don't necessarily have to submit it, stuff sometimes finds its way on there one way or another and they do offer a way to resolve that if you haven't given permission. I had them remove something old of mine last year, you have to make sure to read all the agreements and TOS of any aggregators that might sell to 3rd parties.

I'm getting Komplete 8 ultimate later this week, and Ableton live 8 legit sometime next month. Even the thought of having all legit vsts is amazing, can't wait to see what it actually feels like.

Just stumbled across this guy, Mark Pesce (a futurist among other things.) Excellent quote here:

wikipedia wrote:
On the topic of censorship and file sharing, Pesce states that whenever there's a block that's artificial, that's non inherent, that people will find a way around it and that, for good or for ill, it may be functionally impossible to stop or censor information. Paraphrasing an Interview in 2008, Pesce says: "This is why when you try to control some piece of medium it becomes hyper-distributed, because whenever there's a block it puts pressure to find a way around it. If you put that barrier up you're going to drain that audience away; and now what you have is a situation where the more something is shared, potentially, the more valuable it becomes.",[11] perhaps referring to positive network externalities.

OfficialDAPT wrote:I'm getting Komplete 8 ultimate later this week, and Ableton live 8 legit sometime next month. Even the thought of having all legit vsts is amazing, can't wait to see what it actually feels like.

Just being able to go into the NI service center to update your software is great in its own right.
I sometimes go in there just to look at my registered Komplete

are you pulling my dick bro?