Thread for vinyl rips (if you can prove you own the vinyl)?

[Amantus]

just buy a cheap turntable so you can play your vinyl and rip it a double win win

cheap turntables make shit rips

[dubstepper]

so go out and buy vinyl you tight stnuc.

wasn't the point of this thread that people already have the vinyl?

i think some1 said about if 1 person has it. then some1 else said what if both peps own the vinyl. i duno man i'm just chillin ya know.
i'm more then happy with my record collection. even if i just had my reggae vinyl i'd be happy.

youre fucking retarded

op never mentioned anything about both parties owing the vinyl and he makes it sound like if he proves he owns a vinyl with a pic then maybe some1 with a good rip can send it to him. if ya vinyl is old and worn go buy a new copy . constro go fuck ur mother u silly twat

[Sexual_Chocolate]

just buy a cheap turntable so you can play your vinyl and rip it a double win win

cheap turntables make shit rips

cheap needles make cheap rips.

[mks]

just buy a cheap turntable so you can play your vinyl and rip it a double win win

cheap turntables make shit rips

cheap needles make cheap rips.

cheap needles and cheap turntables make really really shitty rips.

You might as well send them down the shit boat on the shit river to the shit port near the shit bay.

(As Jim, my drunk Canadian uncle would say.)

[garethom]

so go out and buy vinyl you tight stnuc.

wasn't the point of this thread that people already have the vinyl?

i think some1 said about if 1 person has it. then some1 else said what if both peps own the vinyl. i duno man i'm just chillin ya know.
i'm more then happy with my record collection. even if i just had my reggae vinyl i'd be happy.

youre fucking retarded

op never mentioned anything about both parties owing the vinyl and he makes it sound like if he proves he owns a vinyl with a pic then maybe some1 with a good rip can send it to him. if ya vinyl is old and worn go buy a new copy . constro go fuck ur mother u silly twat

Either way, my copy is old and worn, so I probably WILL buy a new copy soon, but new copy or old, I can't play 12" in my car, can I?

[pete_bubonic]

so go out and buy vinyl you tight stnuc.

wasn't the point of this thread that people already have the vinyl?

i think some1 said about if 1 person has it. then some1 else said what if both peps own the vinyl. i duno man i'm just chillin ya know.
i'm more then happy with my record collection. even if i just had my reggae vinyl i'd be happy.

Their point was that both people should prove they have the vinyl (for a vinyl only release), so that both the sender and receiver can prove they're legit. Nobody ever suggested (at least to my knowledge) that people just send files to people that don't own the physical copy.

I know Nevalo likes to give it the big one ITS THE DIGITAL AGE YOU NOOOBZ ETC, but there's more at play than just old people thinking you're stitching them over. At Soul Motive we did the download codes with all our vinyl releases, then we changed it to vinyl purchases only directly from us, to increase traffic through our site, increase sales and total amount of money and traffic coming to the label and the artist. I don't think it worked, but I think it should be up to the label/artist to decide how their music is distributed.

I know Kahn and Neek personally and I know they're vinyl enthusiasts, I'm not sure how they would like it if people were openly distributing digital copies (legit back ups or not) of something that specifically they had chosen to release only on vinyl as part of actively promoting a format they believe in. I wouldn't be happy and I don't think many content creators/distributors would be either.

Perhaps though, arranging it with a buy in from labels and producers? If adequate proof can be provided, then I'm sure many would be happy for such a service to exist. I'm happy to pay (a smaller / nominal fee) for high quality rips, and if some of that were to find it's way back to the artist, that'd be great. though a solid method of providing proof, validation and then distribution with consent is a tangled mess I don't think many will be willing to embark on.

Let me stress, the reason I started this thread was to discuss pros and cons, not to outright say "let's do this". You make only good points here, and I'm sure I mentioned that some artists/labels might not be happy, especially if they're fanatical about vinyl. I completely agree, and I'm probably known for defending vinyl only releases a bit too much, the way I saw it was that I buy the vinyl, I'm probably going to rip it for listening in the car/at work/on the move anyway, so if somebody else had it, that might save a bit of time.

Your point about buying direct from the label is good, just don't think many label owners will have the time to respond to every request. As I mentioned, I'm a big fan of vinyl, and buy a lot more vinyl than I do digital, but I'm a firm believer in offering a free download for those that purchase the vinyl, especially as it seems vinyl-only is hardly a barrier to rips/leaks appearing on the net.

Some of the points in this thread (and the rules of DSF alone) have made it seem a lot more difficult than it first seemed, so don't sweat it.

Sorry if I'm sounding like I'm stating whether it should be done or not, I'm only thinking about it out loud. I actually quite like the idea, it would definitely be something I'd contribute time and money to do if it saved me the hassle of having crappy hissy rips (which my current setup is only just able to produce). If it were legit and approved from the labels in question. I just think there's so many obstacles to overcome if you wanted to do it right, you know?

[garethom]

Definitely, I knew there'd be things I hadn't thought of (including as simple as somebody just borrowing their mates vinyl for a photo to get the rip )

[Sexual_Chocolate]

I know Nevalo likes to give it the big one ITS THE DIGITAL AGE YOU NOOOBZ ETC, but there's more at play than just old people thinking you're stitching them over. .

think you need to reread what i wrote.

im not leaning either way. just saying he can do what he likes tbh.

[pete_bubonic]

I know Nevalo likes to give it the big one ITS THE DIGITAL AGE YOU NOOOBZ ETC, but there's more at play than just old people thinking you're stitching them over. .

think you need to reread what i wrote.

im not leaning either way. just saying he can do what he likes tbh.

Actually I am wrong, I thought you had posted some shit about vinyl in another thread (you know the standard bs about it being dead and mp3s/digi are the only viable format etc). And realised it was someone replying to you. My humblest apologies.

[Lye_Form]

aight if somone posts a pic of them holding dj wanka feat dj skrotum - Illegal dub on white label they can download this: http://www.mediafire.com/?6d2rim26xs9hctr

if you dont has it dont do it, safe.

[Geey]

Seems like a waste thread to me.
One of the reasons mala releases on vinyl only is because you have to make an effort to listen to it as records players/decks aren't as accessible as mp3 formats.
I'm sure he or most other vinyl only artists would find it disrespectful if people were distributing vinyl rips to every Tom dick or Harry that posted with a picture of what could be anyone's vinyl.

I'd actually feel embarrassed to be part of this forum if this were to happen.

[garethom]

I'd actually feel embarrassed to be part of this forum if this were to happen.

lollll, overreaction of the year, fuck sake

anyway, for one, this isn't even gonna happen (the suggestions against have made it clear), and two, jeez man, i listen to the tunes on vinyl, i'd just like to listen in the car too. really don't get why this grinds people so much, i'm not suggesting playing these rips out or anything, especially for me as i only spin vinyl. i'm probs killing the scene by listening to rips of two tunes i paid £8 for in my car mala probs fuckin hates me

[Geey]

It grinds people because it's ignorant of you to play god against the producers wishes.
If they want mp3 rips flying about everywhere they would release on mp3.

Is it that fucking hard to grasp?

[scottie584]

the mp3s arent flying around tnuc, they're only being played in a private environment

[garethom]

It grinds people because it's ignorant of you to play god against the producers wishes.
If they want mp3 rips flying about everywhere they would release on mp3.

Is it that fucking hard to grasp?

lol, play god . Ultimately man, I paid for the record, and supported their wishes, and I'm a known advocate for supporting producer's choices. The mp3 rips wouldn't fly anywhere than to people that could just fucking do it anyway! This was only going to be a time-saver for people that were going to rip the record themselves to see if somebody had already done it.

You can say whatever you want about "playing god", but if I've paid like, £8 for two tunes, you can bet that I'm backing that shit up digitally in case the record gets damaged/lost/stolen, and that doesn't affect the producer at all nor does it mean I want to distribute materials to people that haven't paid for them, nor does it mean I don't respect the producers/labels.

you've got the wrong end of the stick in a big way, get over your producer worship and see what's actually being said, not what you think is being said.

And then remember that this isn't going ahead. And then remember all that's going to happen is people will continue to download digital copies of stuff they've bought on wax anyway.

[Geey]

the mp3s arent flying around tnuc, they're only being played in a private environment

Oh I see. Well go ahead then bud.

It grinds people because it's ignorant of you to play god against the producers wishes.
If they want mp3 rips flying about everywhere they would release on mp3.

Is it that fucking hard to grasp?

lol, play god . Ultimately man, I paid for the record, and supported their wishes, and I'm a known advocate for supporting producer's choices. The mp3 rips wouldn't fly anywhere than to people that could just fucking do it anyway! This was only going to be a time-saver for people that were going to rip the record themselves to see if somebody had already done it.

You can say whatever you want about "playing god", but if I've paid like, £8 for two tunes, you can bet that I'm backing that shit up digitally in case the record gets damaged/lost/stolen, and that doesn't affect the producer at all nor does it mean I want to distribute materials to people that haven't paid for them, nor does it mean I don't respect the producers/labels.

you've got the wrong end of the stick in a big way, get over your producer worship and see what's actually being said, not what you think is being said.

And then remember that this isn't going ahead. And then remember all that's going to happen is people will continue to download digital copies of stuff they've bought on wax anyway.

Look I'm not the greatest with words or voicing my opinion but I'm just saying this would never be allowed and there's very plausible reasons for that.
Im not even gonna get into any kind of online argument over it, I kinda wish I hadn't of said anything cause none of it even sounds relevant or useful.

[incnic]

What do you think about the difference in quality between mp3 and viny?
is one warmer sounding - can your ripped mp3 (its been analogue converted - even tho it was made on the computers - are analogue circuits actually digital in nature)

does digital sound cold harsh
does vinyl sound warm and round
do digital vinyl rips sound cold harsh warm and round
if you made a vinyl recording of a mp3 would it have the cold and harsh digital frqencies tamed?

does it actually in all truth just depend on the song and production techniques much more than the format

iv got a warm mp3 im playin rite now

[Sexual_Chocolate]

I know Nevalo likes to give it the big one ITS THE DIGITAL AGE YOU NOOOBZ ETC, but there's more at play than just old people thinking you're stitching them over. .

think you need to reread what i wrote.

im not leaning either way. just saying he can do what he likes tbh.

Actually I am wrong, I thought you had posted some shit about vinyl in another thread (you know the standard bs about it being dead and mp3s/digi are the only viable format etc). And realised it was someone replying to you. My humblest apologies.

all good homeslice.

It grinds people because it's ignorant of you to play god against the producers wishes.
If they want mp3 rips flying about everywhere they would release on mp3.

Is it that fucking hard to grasp?

its ignorant of you to assume vinyl rips would suddenly flood the internet because of this thread.

[garethom]

What do you think about the difference in quality between mp3 and viny?
is one warmer sounding - can your ripped mp3 (its been analogue converted - even tho it was made on the computers - are analogue circuits actually digital in nature)

does digital sound cold harsh
does vinyl sound warm and round
do digital vinyl rips sound cold harsh warm and round
if you made a vinyl recording of a mp3 would it have the cold and harsh digital frqencies tamed?

does it actually in all truth just depend on the song and production techniques much more than the format

iv got a warm mp3 im playin rite now

i think digital vinyl rips are warm but flat and vinyl is warm and round, not sure cos vinyl is usually 320 kbps (which doesn';t make a circle, which is 360 degrees, but almost there, so pretty much) and digital is usually only 128 (which is closer to flat than a circle, and actually closer to a triangle, but i won't get started on triangles). Hope that helps.

[Lye_Form]

Seems like a waste thread to me.
One of the reasons mala releases on vinyl only is because you have to make an effort to listen to it as records players/decks aren't as accessible as mp3 formats.
I'm sure he or most other vinyl only artists would find it disrespectful if people were distributing vinyl rips to every Tom dick or Harry that posted with a picture of what could be anyone's vinyl.

I'd actually feel embarrassed to be part of this forum if this were to happen.

The point behind Vinyl only releases is to try and stop music being as disposable/fleeting as it has become (i think)

If somone has bought Vinyl then its likely the record means something to them . For example if you go have gone down to BM records soho, spoken to a few people, fingered through the second hand stuff, bought some cheap 90s 2step and a couple new releases, gone home and spent an hour or so playing them, those tunes are going to naturally mean more than some tunes sitting in the download folder on your mums PC.

But being able to listen to the music you have paid 6+ quid per couple of tunes on your phone/in the car/ at your girlfriends house is only fair. I think producers should go out their way for people who are actually willing to hand over cash for their music - they are basically being paid to do something they would have done anyway (made tunes).

If a producer was to get angry that people have ripped the music they have bought (not to pirate it) that would make them a bit of a tnuc.

Edit: 5 people have downloaded dj wanka feat dj skrotum - Illegal dub.mp3