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State of war has been declared by North Korea against the South.

Now it's a case of who blinks first.

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garethom wrote:All major news stations/sites are defo biased against whatever my current opinion is.

test recordings wrote:If you were unnecessarily harassed by US stealth bombers wouldn't you want to at least say something in your own defence? The media seems to be bigging up the Korean's belligerence yet mention nothing about why the US are flying stealth bombers over the area when there's no need?

Does a leader of a nuclear-armed (no matter how shoddily) regularly threatening to start a war and hit your and your allies countries with nuclear weapons, then arming those weapons not constitute a need then?

Come on, I'm not exactly pro-countries sticking their nose in, but this is just pointlessly anti-american.

If one country that borders nuclear maniacs wanted my help in military exercises and gave permission to fly stealth bombers over their own country, then there's no issue IMO, especially with the neighbours that they have.

There's plenty of other options; North Korea is essentially a buffer zone to stop US-backed forces invading China, don't forget that. The only reason it exists is because China got freaked out at having more imperialist forces on it's doorstep after several centuries of subjugation...

Without the US trying to own the whole of Korea in the first place it wouldn't have split the country so brutally. The best solution would be reunification, which was heralded by both sides as viable within 50 years not so long ago. It's also fair for the people that live their to exercise their right to self-determination, but they don't necessarily need to be invaded for that to happen!

Does anybody want to invade China? Surely nobody is that stupid.

With regards to your second paragraph, I don't disagree with any of that, and that wasn't my point at all. My point was that if S. Korea want help from the rest of the world to try and keep their nuclear armed, insane neighbours at bay, how can anyone blame them? Nobody's made any physically aggressive moves towards N. Korea. There's nothing they're doing that is worth defending from my point of view.

I'm not suggesting anybody invade anywhere. US OR North Korea. This isn't an anti-US thing, it's an anti NK blowing the shit out of it's neighbours with nuclear weapons, nothing to do with self-determination.

nk aren't going to nuke sk, they want korea reunited (under their regime) not blown to shit.

I know they probably aren't going to, but they should stop saying it if they don't want people to think it.

Meh, there's only been one aggressor since the "end" of the Korean war, but the anti-USA vibe on here is too strong.

wub wrote:State of war has been declared by North Korea against the South.

Now it's a case of who blinks first.

Ugh, it's going to get ugly.

Heres hoping the UK stays the fuck out of this one.Don't think we have the money to join anyway.

I went to the DMZ on Wednesday and the Americans didn't seem too stressed about it, and there were only 2 North Korean guards on their side of the border. I think at the moment the consensus among the people who know is that it's just talk, could obviously change quickly though

I hate to talk it, but we have drones doing DMZ and above the country atm.
USA are a bunch of too technologically advanced stnuc with an army of toy soldiers waiting to get anywhere within a couple days, I used to be one.
When the rest of the world says I wish we would do this, America just jumps. It's the main flaw of our country, and I think why we are gonna be the new Rome empire.
This shit is gonna be new WW3 or just a footnote in history, if NK attacks SK the west will invade NK, and perhaps prevoke WW3, though China and Russia seem to not want dick to do with this.
World politics atm is volatile as fuck between the "superpowers" and the mid supporting countries are standing by ready for war.
If it happens the US will be shocked by South America rising up against us.

relevant?

http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

garethom wrote:

test recordings wrote:

garethom wrote:All major news stations/sites are defo biased against whatever my current opinion is.

test recordings wrote:If you were unnecessarily harassed by US stealth bombers wouldn't you want to at least say something in your own defence? The media seems to be bigging up the Korean's belligerence yet mention nothing about why the US are flying stealth bombers over the area when there's no need?

Does a leader of a nuclear-armed (no matter how shoddily) regularly threatening to start a war and hit your and your allies countries with nuclear weapons, then arming those weapons not constitute a need then?

Come on, I'm not exactly pro-countries sticking their nose in, but this is just pointlessly anti-american.

If one country that borders nuclear maniacs wanted my help in military exercises and gave permission to fly stealth bombers over their own country, then there's no issue IMO, especially with the neighbours that they have.

There's plenty of other options; North Korea is essentially a buffer zone to stop US-backed forces invading China, don't forget that. The only reason it exists is because China got freaked out at having more imperialist forces on it's doorstep after several centuries of subjugation...

Without the US trying to own the whole of Korea in the first place it wouldn't have split the country so brutally. The best solution would be reunification, which was heralded by both sides as viable within 50 years not so long ago. It's also fair for the people that live their to exercise their right to self-determination, but they don't necessarily need to be invaded for that to happen!

Does anybody want to invade China? Surely nobody is that stupid.

With regards to your second paragraph, I don't disagree with any of that, and that wasn't my point at all. My point was that if S. Korea want help from the rest of the world to try and keep their nuclear armed, insane neighbours at bay, how can anyone blame them? Nobody's made any physically aggressive moves towards N. Korea. There's nothing they're doing that is worth defending from my point of view.

I'm not suggesting anybody invade anywhere. US OR North Korea. This isn't an anti-US thing, it's an anti NK blowing the shit out of it's neighbours with nuclear weapons, nothing to do with self-determination.

China was preventing the possibility of being invaded when they sent troops in to Korea in the '50s after the Americans pushed the North all the way to the border - if they'd have just stopped at the same place that was marked out before the conflict then that wouldn't have been necessary. Probably no-one's going to invade China but then do you think the American fed government is going to hesitate to 'give them democracy' if they thought they were easy prey? The NK buffer zone exists to close off that particular entrance.

Also as for nobody making aggressive moves towards NK, the whole point of them going off on one this time was because a US stealth bomber is flying near them - that is pretty provocative. It's probably an excuse by both sides to rattle the sabre, neither are going to want to back down but the US has more to win by being antagonising.

Here's some quotes from China and Russia in the Al Jazeera article I posted:

Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, responded to the threat by saying that the US should refrain from undertaking "unilateral actions against North Korea" that go beyond those called for by the UN Security Council.

"We can simply see the situation getting out of control, it would spiral down into a vicious circle," he told reporters in Moscow.

China, North Korea's main regional ally and biggest trading partner, meanwhile, called for an easing of tensions in the region, saying that upholding peace and stability in northeast Asia "serves the common interests of all parties", according to a foreign ministry statement.

Both China and Russia are having a more sensible tone in advocating action. NK knows it will be obliterated if they try anything serious so this is probably just more talk.

The best thing to do would be to restart the 6-party talks and engage the new goverments of both NK and SK. Restarting a war could set the whole thing back another 60 years and it's not coming along as fast as it could be...

Even the US and SK are playing down the threat level...

North Korea declares ''state of war'' against South Korea while United States plays it down

The White House labelled the latest statement from Pyongyang as "unconstructive" and, while taking it "seriously", sought to place the immediate threat level in context.

"North Korea has a long history of bellicose rhetoric and threats and today's announcement follows that familiar pattern," said National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden.

In Seoul, the Unification Ministry insisted the war threat was "not really new". The Defence Ministry vowed to "retaliate thoroughly" to any provocation, but added that no notable troop movement had been observed along the border.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world-news/asia/ ... z2P60tQikU

i would hate to be in the army south korean stationed, that used to be a cushie job that dodged iraq and afghan deployment. shit just got real.

lloydy wrote:Heres hoping the UK stays the fuck out of this one.Don't think we have the money to join anyway.

I think you have that backwards. There is no basis to the value of the English pound other than the threat of war. But yes, you personally probably don't have any money for the war, but you will pay if it is asked.

test recordings wrote:

garethom wrote:

test recordings wrote:

garethom wrote:All major news stations/sites are defo biased against whatever my current opinion is.

test recordings wrote:If you were unnecessarily harassed by US stealth bombers wouldn't you want to at least say something in your own defence? The media seems to be bigging up the Korean's belligerence yet mention nothing about why the US are flying stealth bombers over the area when there's no need?

Does a leader of a nuclear-armed (no matter how shoddily) regularly threatening to start a war and hit your and your allies countries with nuclear weapons, then arming those weapons not constitute a need then?

Come on, I'm not exactly pro-countries sticking their nose in, but this is just pointlessly anti-american.

If one country that borders nuclear maniacs wanted my help in military exercises and gave permission to fly stealth bombers over their own country, then there's no issue IMO, especially with the neighbours that they have.

There's plenty of other options; North Korea is essentially a buffer zone to stop US-backed forces invading China, don't forget that. The only reason it exists is because China got freaked out at having more imperialist forces on it's doorstep after several centuries of subjugation...

Without the US trying to own the whole of Korea in the first place it wouldn't have split the country so brutally. The best solution would be reunification, which was heralded by both sides as viable within 50 years not so long ago. It's also fair for the people that live their to exercise their right to self-determination, but they don't necessarily need to be invaded for that to happen!

Does anybody want to invade China? Surely nobody is that stupid.

With regards to your second paragraph, I don't disagree with any of that, and that wasn't my point at all. My point was that if S. Korea want help from the rest of the world to try and keep their nuclear armed, insane neighbours at bay, how can anyone blame them? Nobody's made any physically aggressive moves towards N. Korea. There's nothing they're doing that is worth defending from my point of view.

I'm not suggesting anybody invade anywhere. US OR North Korea. This isn't an anti-US thing, it's an anti NK blowing the shit out of it's neighbours with nuclear weapons, nothing to do with self-determination.

China was preventing the possibility of being invaded when they sent troops in to Korea in the '50s after the Americans pushed the North all the way to the border - if they'd have just stopped at the same place that was marked out before the conflict then that wouldn't have been necessary. Probably no-one's going to invade China but then do you think the American fed government is going to hesitate to 'give them democracy' if they thought they were easy prey? The NK buffer zone exists to close off that particular entrance.

All good points, but the world of the 50's is not the world of today, I don't think anybody in their right mind would think about invading China any more.

I'm genuinely surprised this regime hasn't been offed by its own people at some point, there's gotta be some less-brainwashed citizens that are unhappy with what's going on.

nowaysj wrote:

lloydy wrote:Heres hoping the UK stays the fuck out of this one.Don't think we have the money to join anyway.

I think you have that backwards. There is no basis to the value of the English pound other than the threat of war. But yes, you personally probably don't have any money for the war, but you will pay if it is asked.

No doubt at all that we will get involved,would just rather we didn't.

what does nostradamus have to say about all this

imami wrote:what does nostradamus have to say about all this

Probably something that doesn't make a whole lot of sense

garethom wrote:China will step in like the sober friend of the drunk guy trying to fight you, apologise to the rest of the world and have a quiet word with NK round the side of the chippy before anything happens.

Hahaha this is exactly what i think will happen as well

UK should invade Tajikistan, to show how powerful and relevant we can still be

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22021832

The US has announced it is moving an advanced missile defence system to the Pacific island of Guam as North Korea steps up its warlike rhetoric.

A statement from Pyongyang said its military had been given final approval to launch a nuclear strike.

North Korea has threatened to target the US and South Korea in recent weeks.

Its statement came amid warnings from US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel that North Korea is a "real and clear danger" to the US and its allies.

In a further development on Thursday, Pyongyang again blocked South Korean access to the Kaesong joint industrial zone 10km (six miles) inside North Korea. It was the second day the North had blocked the border crossing.

Start stocking up people, the end is nigh.