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Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:05 am
by scspkr99
Perej wrote:
Exactly. It's just a herd mentality with soppy stnuc who act like they are working class freedom fighters when many are highly middle class people talking about her as if their Dad's worked down the mines at the time. They didn't. Fuck off.
Don't know the ins and outs of her policies because as previously stated wasn't alive, but the way people demonise her in comparison to how people talk about Blair and what he did to this country is shameful.
Without knowing the ins and outs of her policies I'm not sure you're qualified to compare her to anyone.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:44 am
by test_recordings
scspkr99 wrote:Perej wrote:
Exactly. It's just a herd mentality with soppy stnuc who act like they are working class freedom fighters when many are highly middle class people talking about her as if their Dad's worked down the mines at the time. They didn't. Fuck off.
Don't know the ins and outs of her policies because as previously stated wasn't alive, but the way people demonise her in comparison to how people talk about Blair and what he did to this country is shameful.
Without knowing the ins and outs of her policies I'm not sure you're qualified to compare her to anyone.
Exactly. You can't deny she was a bitch while alive if you actually have a look at what she did yourself. She was probably actually
worse than Tony Blair, who started as many wars (two each) but was at least more discreet about propping up dictators. Don't exactly think Thatcher would have permitted the Freedom of Information Act or Human Rights Act either - completely antithetical to her views.
Also, even David Cameron said Thatcher's denouncing of Nelson Mandela and his ANC party as terrorists was wrong! Blatently racist bitch
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:13 am
by garethom
test recordings wrote:scspkr99 wrote:Perej wrote:
Exactly. It's just a herd mentality with soppy stnuc who act like they are working class freedom fighters when many are highly middle class people talking about her as if their Dad's worked down the mines at the time. They didn't. Fuck off.
Don't know the ins and outs of her policies because as previously stated wasn't alive, but the way people demonise her in comparison to how people talk about Blair and what he did to this country is shameful.
Without knowing the ins and outs of her policies I'm not sure you're qualified to compare her to anyone.
She was probably actually
worse than Tony Blair, who started as many wars (two each)
What was the other one?
Not sure you can really compare going to war to defend British territory to the "liberation" that Iraq and Afghanistan suffered/continue to suffer on the basis of lies.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:16 am
by wub
Agree with Gareth, at least the Falklands had a purpose of sorts.
Plus Argentina was being supplied by Russia and as we had America behind us it was as close to the Cold War going 'hot' as it was going to get.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:25 am
by scspkr99
That's not how I understand it. The US would much have preferred the UK find a diplomatic solution as they were worried a conflict may actually encourage Argentina to seek support from the USSR.
It could also be argued that the war in Iraq under Blair was a consequence of our closer ties with the US which was a result of the Thatcher governments antipathy to Europe to foster the special relationship to the US.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:06 am
by hutyluty
Lol at this topic bringing out all the closet tories.
I get where people are coming from but i find the whole celebration of someone's death a bit sickening, I mean celebrate when she gets ousted from power sure but she's been doing nothing for 20 years.
That said i can still blame her and her neo-con legacy + successors for pretty much everything that's wrong today..
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:25 am
by Lye_Form
Lol so many people gay for thatcha.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:41 am
by Pedro Sánchez
hutyluty wrote:Lol at this topic bringing out all the closet tories.
That's where you find most Tories, they are a lot like racists, they pretend not to be until pushed, then they just let it all come out.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:47 am
by garethom
Here was me thinking that it doesn't have to be so black and white.
I can see good and a lot of bad in all political parties' stuff.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:49 am
by Lye_Form
garethom wrote:Here was me thinking that it doesn't have to be so black
racist
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:50 am
by wub
garethom wrote:Here was me thinking that it doesn't have to be so black and white.
I can see good and a lot of bad in all political parties' stuff.
This is DSF - you're either a liberal hippy twat or a hardline neo-con facist schweinhund.
No middle ground, that's not allowed.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:54 am
by garethom
Lye Form wrote:garethom wrote:Here was me thinking that it doesn't have to be so black
racist
wub wrote:garethom wrote:Here was me thinking that it doesn't have to be so black and white.
I can see good and a lot of bad in all political parties' stuff.
This is DSF - you're either a liberal hippy twat or a hardline neo-con facist schweinhund.
No middle ground, that's not allowed.
Of course, totally forgot, MODERATION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:17 am
by scspkr99
Thatcher on Pinochet after his arrest in the UK
But first I want to extend a personal welcome to our Chilean guests, who have come half way round the world to be with us. They should understand the deep sense of shame and anger we feel at the way in which Chile - its honour, its dignity, its sovereignty and its former ruler - have been treated.
I do not know when or how this tragedy will end. But we will fight on for as long as it takes to see Senator Pinochet returned safely to his own country. Chileans can rest assured that, however contemptibly this Labour Government behaves, the British people still believe in loyalty to their friends.
But yeah we don't want to be unfair like.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:17 am
by hutyluty
wub wrote:garethom wrote:Here was me thinking that it doesn't have to be so black and white.
I can see good and a lot of bad in all political parties' stuff.
This is DSF - you're either a liberal hippy twat or a hardline neo-con facist schweinhund.
No middle ground, that's not allowed.
Being in the middle ground isn't much fun in a debate though is it?
I find little good in the tory manifesto but then again maybe i'm just a blinkered partisan sheep unlike you clever chaps.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:44 am
by Mason
i'd much rather be a neo-con fascist than a liberal hippy
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:46 am
by wub
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:49 am
by Lye_Form
Mason wrote:i'd much rather be a neo-con fascist than a liberal hippy
I was a neo-con fascist before anybody else was doing it.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:53 am
by Liam92
Widowmaker wrote:too young to know much about her to be honest i know the ins and outs but i wasn't alive when she was in office, why are people my age (20) going on about her as if they know shit?
Same here mate, my entire facebook has stnuc who know fuck all about politics posting "yas Thatcher's dead", idiots.
I only posted this as info, fairly unopinionated on the whole thing, although, I don't think it's right to celebrate a death, but that's just me
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:56 am
by scspkr99
Good job no one posts about history then given they weren't there.
Re: Maggie's Deed
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:35 am
by Laszlo
wub wrote:Agree with Gareth, at least the Falklands had a purpose of sorts.
Plus Argentina was being supplied by Russia
and France.
Just saying
