Coki - Road Rage

tha_illsta · Post by **tha_illsta** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:26 pm

Dutty Yuppie wrote:Would that be days of poor quality mixtapes with the same tracks on for years that people still LOVED?

Yes indeedy, 'cept mines were HIGH QUALITY.

dubwise_gamgee · Post by **dubwise_gamgee** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:33 pm

it's interesting to read that whenever somebody post something slightly critical of "big" tunes or producers people react as if personally insulted. people always say "leave the man alone, he's a don, badman, bla bla bla". come on, everybody know's coki is sick, no doubt, some tunes better than the other but still a dope and very fresh producer. i don't understand why many people can't take the criticism.

it is perfectly valid opinion to say that one is concerned dubstep (or maybe coki) is becoming to repetitive and too focused on midrange wobbler-spongebob-style beats. i like many of the coki tunes, but not all. i even like all these new wobbler 666-roadrage-spongebob tunes but i see the concern... these tunes really go off and i'd have fun with them in a dance... there seems to be a trend for these heavy wobbler beats. like with d'n'b becoming heavier and heavier, and more focused on the hardest beats and bassline. a little bit more space and versatility is never a bad thing...

anyway, people got to chill (and i mean the people who always act insulted) and big up the critics for thinking outside the box (aka current trends).

and, so you get it right, i also agree coki is one heck of a producer (i personally enjoy the secrecy). the man just produces, hardly dj-es and just cares about music more than most of the other producers (besides maybe burial, he's illll nut not really dancefloor producer, more deep listening music)..

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:46 pm

there is just something which grates me a lot about people trying to tell producers (who have pioneered the / their own style, been there since day, and never put themselves on a pedestal) what they should or shouldnt be doing to express themselves, especially if the critics are on a purely armchair flex

brklss · Post by **brklss** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:56 pm

Produce yourself or STFU.

dubwise_gamgee · Post by **dubwise_gamgee** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:03 pm

brklss: yet another usefull dubstepforum contributor commenting in such an intellectual manner. thank you for helping all of us! (and yes, i've been producing for about 8 years).

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:04 pm

brklss wrote:Produce yourself or STFU.

Don't be silly.

Your saying opinions on tunes shouldnt be held unless we produce tracks, or even worse we shouldnt be able to discuss a tune if we aint producers?

I see forums like talking to a group of people, on a larger scale, and i certainly talk about how shit the latest Bad Brains album was, or how i think Bob Marley sold out, with friends.

osk · Post by **osk** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:05 pm

dubwise_gamgee wrote:brklss: yet another usefull dubstepforum contributor commenting in such an intellectual manner. thank you for helping all of us! (and yes, i've been producing for about 8 years).

Don't think it's that useless. It's all very well slagging producers off, but ultimately, what is that person actually DOING about it.

If you don't like something, change it yourself.

There's some truth in "PRODUCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP" after all.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:05 pm

Sand Leaper wrote: Whenever people speak of dubstep, they always emphasize how dubstep is so great cos you can't really define it, and how you'll always hear something different.

Yeah, it does do my nut in the way they do that. Obv there's loads of styles out there, but if the big DJ's are going to play to the crowd (and lets be glad they didn't take that approach and shift to prog house or something when noone was showing up at FWD back in the day) and all play the same sort of stuff could they at least stop going on about how incredibly diverse and varied the sounds are.

diss04 · Post by **diss04** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:19 pm

Thomas wrote:
brklss wrote:Produce yourself or STFU.
Don't be silly.

Your saying opinions on tunes shouldnt be held unless we produce tracks, or even worse we shouldnt be able to discuss a tune if we aint producers?.

good pont

dubwise_gamgee · Post by **dubwise_gamgee** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:32 pm

produce or stfu: well yeah, of course there is some point to that, but i think, in terms of dj-music, it is more effective to take action or change something by not buying certain records or not playing them out.

i produce a lot of muic but am not planning on releasing any dubstep music (at least not at this point), just because it simply isn't ready or good enough to be pressed on wax or even sold digitally. for myself, i change this music and i enjoy my interpretation of the dubstep vibe, but not very many people will hear that the coming weeks or months or (maybe even) years!

i'm a producer and i take it seriously (but more in other fields than dubstep to be honest), but even if I WEREN'T A bloody PRODUCER i could still critize the shit out of every tune or artist on this planet. i don't care who did what or if he's a bigman, badman, don or croydon-bred (hehe), all i care about is if i like the tune, think it's creative and fresh. (and sounds good, sonically, but that's not the most important factor).

no "produce yourself or stfu" could stop me from doing that, seen?

duck · Post by **duck** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:48 pm

I reckon people are free to say Coki's tunes are sh*t, but then people are just as free to take offence and tell the first people they're talking out of their arse.

right?

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:50 pm

dubwise_gamgee wrote:it's interesting to read that whenever somebody post something slightly critical of "big" tunes or producers people react as if personally insulted. people always say "leave the man alone, he's a don, badman, bla bla bla". come on, everybody know's coki is sick, no doubt, some tunes better than the other but still a dope and very fresh producer. i don't understand why many people can't take the criticism.

it's because it serves no purpose. all it's ever going to do is start arguments which, because they're about subjective opinions on music, will never reach any sort of resolution.

it's been repeated to death on here but if you don't like one sort of dubstep you should be posting about how much like you like another sort. it's a far more useful exercise

I swear the internet can be both a curse and a blessing for music.

yeah i completely agree - the focus in music forums always seems to veer towards the negative rather than the positive, which is why this one is (for the most part) so bloody marvelous

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:50 pm

duck wrote:I reckon people are free to say Coki's tunes are sh*t, but then people are just as free to take offence and tell the first people they're talking out of their arse.

right?

you're talking out your arse mate

duck · Post by **duck** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:54 pm

right y'are.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:54 pm

You're freeeee to do what you want to do

Has a paranoid schizophrenic ever argued in legal defence that Ultra Nate gave them sanction to sexslaughter somebody? If not- I'm HAVING THAT.

There's always been certain styles of tunes in dubstep that I haven't liked, but I accept that as long as I don't go to a night and hear an overwhelming majority of tunes cloning that style.

chef · Post by **chef** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:11 pm

Constructive criticism's all good....

But when someone's chatting shit, they're shit.

Simple as!!

I don't come on here just to be on a negative tip but that's all I see some people coming with.

Regarding people worrying about Dubstep going all midrangey woteva bollox, please refer to this quote from last week.

Chef wrote:EZ all.

To anyone that thinks Dubstep is just pure dark and aggressive then you need to open your ears because your missing out on a lot of Dubstep that isn't.

There's loads more different sounds in Dubstep than ever, it's up to you to find the music, Artist, DJ, sets or whatever that suits you.

Some people only like the dubby stuff, some people only like the techy or electro side of things, some people love just wobble, some people love the halfstep stuff more than the upbeat stuff, it's all about preference and background.

For me variety is the key and I like to play right across the board, a journey of the all the styles and flavours.
2 hours of wobble is just as bad as hearing 2 hours of plod, sometimes it isn't even about the tunes played but how they are played. Just the way that tunes are played and mixed can make it so much more interesting.

I'm happy to play Skream, Peverlist, Silkie, Toasty Boy, Conquest, Benga, Coki, Mala, Loefah, LD, Loefah, Distance etc etc in the same set but obviously I aint gonna play Infinity is now by Peverlist next to Spongebob by Coki, you just gotta know your tunes.

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Peace, Love and Unity

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:16 pm

pk- wrote: it's been repeated to death on here but if you don't like one sort of dubstep you should be posting about how much like you like another sort. it's a far more useful exercise

Agree with that.

Although it is tempting sometimes...

sand leaper · Post by **sand leaper** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:24 pm

Grand wrote:you have . was ment to say that earlier..

So when I'm criticizing someone's choices towards music, I am automatically insulting that person's character?

Come on now, that's just silly. It would've been a different story if I had called Coki a "sellout", "talentless", or "Coki is shit" or something unconstructive like that, but I didn't. So all of you people jumping at my throat like I just called your best friend an idiot, stop putting words in my mouth ("telling people what to produce?" "Not versatile?" "No progression?" Where did I say any of this?) and just chill.

Look at how things have progressed from the early DMZs and Big Apples. Coki made things like Officer and "B" with Mala. Experimenting aplenty. However, it is as he has released progressively more and more of JUST these bassline-workouts that his popularity has gone up accordingly. It's not a coincidence that this type of tune is exactly what ALL the punters start jumping all over the place for, not just the people in the middle.

Something I didn't think of in this respect, however, is that this might be what he feels the most comfortable with thus far after trying his hand at different approaches over the years. I think Loefah said something similar about making stuff that isn't halfstep, it just won't work with him anymore.

So yeah, for whoever said that I should get to DMZ and talk to Coki himself about it, I'd love to hear what he has to say. But he'd prolly be too busy fending off his fanboys to have time anyway. Fucking hell.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:34 pm

Sand Leaper wrote:However, it is as he has released progressively more and more of JUST these bassline-workouts that his popularity has gone up accordingly. It's not a coincidence that this type of tune is exactly what ALL the punters start jumping all over the place for, not just the people in the middle.

re some of Benny Ill's comments upthread about DJ's playing bangers because that's what gets a reaction from the crowd, I quite like the idea of getting a load of T-shirts printed saying "I'm not bored, I'm meditating."

chef · Post by **chef** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:36 pm

Sand Leaper wrote:
Grand wrote:you have . was ment to say that earlier..
So when I'm criticizing someone's choices towards music, I am automatically insulting that person's character? Come on now, that's just silly. It would've been a different story if I had called Coki a "sellout", "talentless", or "Coki is shit" or something unconstructive like that, but I didn't. So all of you people jumping at my throat like I just called your best friend an idiot, stop putting words in my mouth ("telling people what to produce?" "Not versatile?" "No progression?" Where did I say any of this?) and just chill.

Look at how things have progressed from the early DMZs and Big Apples. Coki made things like Officer and "B" with Mala. Experimenting aplenty. However, it is as he has released progressively more and more of JUST these bassline-workouts that his popularity has gone up accordingly. It's not a coincidence that this type of tune is exactly what ALL the punters start jumping all over the place for, not just the people in the middle.

Something I didn't think of in this respect, however, is that this might be what he feels the most comfortable with thus far after trying his hand at different approaches over the years. I think Loefah said something similar about making stuff that isn't halfstep, it just won't work with him anymore.

So yeah, for whoever said that I should get to DMZ and talk to Coki himself about it, I'd love to hear what he has to say. But he'd prolly be too busy fending off his fanboys to have time anyway. Fucking hell.

Your the one who needs to chill, is it just a coincidence that so many people aint feeling what your saying??

You picked this argument with the wrong producer.

The tune's that Coki has got forthcoming on Ringo, Mad Head etc in a few weeks are nothing like Spongebob and Roadrage, and he's got other tune's coming out on other labels that are nothing like Spongebob etc so what you saying now?
I don't see how these facts add up to your argument.

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