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nowaysj wrote: I'm pretty sure Ukip is a scam, dude, same old shit from the same old people.

that old "pitting poors against a different set of poors while we laugh all the way to the bank" maneuver never ceases to deliver does it?

dfaultuzr wrote:

nowaysj wrote: I'm pretty sure Ukip is a scam, dude, same old shit from the same old people.

that old "pitting poors against a different set of poors while we laugh all the way to the bank" maneuver never ceases to deliver does it?

Classic:

They also take liberties (excuse the pun) in their ad campaigns. From 2008/9;



However;

Treasury Report on the UK’s EU budget contributions 2008

Total gross figures;

2005 – £12.5 billion
2006 – £12.4 billion
2007 – £12.5 billion
2008 – £13.7 billion

£13.7 billion divided by 365 = £37.5 million, so UKIP are rounding up by £2.5 million a day. Or £912.5m a year.

However that's gross, not net (counting what we got back from the EU).

Total net figures (from the same report);

2005 – £3.6 billion
2006 – £3.9 billion
2007 – £4.6 billion
2008 – £3.6 billion

So £12.6 million a day. Or £25m less than UKIP were claiming through their creative numbers. In context;



So £4bn net paid to the EU vs. £30bn just on interest on UK national debt.



Factually misleading ad campaigns like this just stoke the fires of outrage in the down-on-his-luck borderline racist nationalist looking for some Johnny Foreigner to blame for why his own life and country are shit.

It's also worth noting that Farage takes £2m in expenses on top of a £64k salary as an MEP, and that under his watch the British MEPs had the worst attendance record of any national delegation.

Which is hypocritical when he calls for Tory/Labour MP expenses & pay to be reduced, whilst bashing the EU for not doing anything.

As far as claiming UKIP isn't racist, consider they're part of the group Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD).

The group includes representatives of the Danish People’s Party, the True Finns Party, the Dutch SGP and the Italian Lega Nord – all of them far-right.

Nigel Farage is co-President of the group along with Lega Nord’s Francesco Speroni, who described multiple murderer Anders Breivik as someone whose “ideas are in defence of western civilisation."

This thread was going downhill the moment it became primarily personal insults. Sort of embarrassing shit that stifles interesting and genuine discussion, which fair play, a few people are trying, like Wub above.

wub wrote:

Meant to be funny, actually just ridiculous. Absolutely nothing to do with companies trying to cut back costs to the bare minimum by paying the cheapest workers available? Pretty insulting to a lot of people who have lost their jobs to be honest.

the thing about politics is only votes make a difference
i dont get why ppl get so involved in complaining about the this and thats
and then u get these 17 yr old losers obsessed w/ politics, that irks me

garethom wrote:interesting and genuine discussion, which fair play, a few people are trying, like Wub above.

Thanks man


Just waiting for Jay to come back with any sort of discussion on the points made, really.


Further to the point I'd made about MEPs, found that two of UKIPs have been jailed;

Ashley Mote - jailed on 21 counts of benefit fraud, totalling £65,000

Tom Wise - jailed for two years after falsely claiming thousands in expenses

Which again lends hypocrisy to their 'Robin Hood' arguments on certain tax/benefit issues.

kaili wrote:the thing about politics is only votes make a difference
i dont get why ppl get so involved in complaining about the this and thats

thats such a bs sentiment, political discourse and discussion is just as much part of the political process as the actual act of casting a vote

I'd like to point out that when bidding for social housing top priority is given to the homeless or those threatened with imminent homelessness, second priority is usually care leavers or those still in the care of social services, nationality doesn't come into it at all

One of UKIPs spending policies is to increase defence spending by 40%, so £90bn to £120bn.

This is from the same manifesto that also proposed 2m job losses in the public sector, which came from Godfrey Bloom (UKIP's George Osbourne) who has also be quoted as saying that he hopes thousands of public sector jobs are lost, and that public sector workers should not be allowed to vote.



Which would put nurses and fireman in the same category as prisoners

you see that jay? do you really think they care about jobs when they want to essentially lay off 2 million people? they just inject some racist hate to get the mongs excited about it because they think theyre "patriotic"

Those points OP posted really help me understand why people vote on these
populist parties. I even caught myself thinking: 'Yeah, damn immigrants should put in money before they receive any'.. but than I pulled my head out of my behind.

At least merge with unpopular opinions.

Marta Andreasen, the former Ukip MEP who joined the Conservatives during the Eastleigh by-election campaign;

"Ukip says it has policies on things other than Europe, but none of them have been properly costed. It is very easy to use immigration as a threat to the population of this country, because people are losing their jobs and the welfare state is being reduced. I agree that there should be proper controls on immigration, but Ukip's position on this – warning that millions of Bulgarians and Romanians would come to this country – was one of the things that contributed to my leaving the party. We were coming too close to the BNP. We were on the margins of the racists."


She left UKIP only a month after they fired their youth chairman for saying he backed gay marriage and that criticising UKIP for not taking more of an interest in national politics as opposed to Europe.

Phigure wrote:

kaili wrote:the thing about politics is only votes make a difference
i dont get why ppl get so involved in complaining about the this and thats

thats such a bs sentiment, political discourse and discussion is just as much part of the political process as the actual act of casting a vote

well i mainly mean younger people, like this dude when i was at sixth form constantly going on about it
and anyways, the vote IS the thing that matters at the end of the day, the majority of the discourse that matters isnt between the common folk

kaili wrote:well i mainly mean younger people, like this dude when i was at sixth form constantly going on about it
and anyways, the vote IS the thing that matters at the end of the day, the majority of the discourse that matters isnt between the common folk

So you shouldn't be allowed to 'go on' about politics until you're old enough to vote?

wub wrote:

kaili wrote:well i mainly mean younger people, like this dude when i was at sixth form constantly going on about it
and anyways, the vote IS the thing that matters at the end of the day, the majority of the discourse that matters isnt between the common folk

So you shouldn't be allowed to 'go on' about politics until you're old enough to vote?

didnt say u shouldnt be 'allowed' to
im just sayin ur wasting ur time
especially if u get into it too much
i mean just look at one of the dudes that i know that were like that all thru their teens

kaili wrote:the vote IS the thing that matters at the end of the day

while i genuinely wish this was true, voting nowadays can be mostly reduced to "pick your favourite plutocrat" tbh imo bbq

also in what i'd consider a healthy democracy, citizen engagement in political issues shouldn't be just voting once every x years and mostly not giving a fuck the rest of the time

jesslem wrote:Nah, 'low it. He's baffed.

Lock this thread and ban him.

what? so because someone shares a different opinion to you we should ignore it and ban him? smh