Negative criticism has to be allowed and even encouraged.

[roko]

Now, I don't usually post much at all in this shit or jump in or say much,
but readin intoccabiles post made me smile and wanted to post and say:

1. I love Corpsey

2. generally Dubstep sucks balls, over 80% of the tunes that are getting
mad hype are absolute grooveless toss waste of time, and yes people
should be able to handle lots of us (i know i ain't only one), believing
this is the case + especially handle a bit more constructive criticism

3. I love Corpsey

4. On top of acceptance of negative criticism, this board, like every
other, needs more of



do i make myself clear?

[diablo]

2. generally Dubstep sucks balls, over 80% of the tunes that are getting
mad hype are absolute grooveless toss waste of time, and yes people
should be able to handle lots of us (i know i ain't only one), believing
this is the case + especially handle a bit more constructive criticism


do i make myself clear?

x2

[caunterstrike]

2. generally Dubstep sucks balls, over 80% of the tunes that are getting
mad hype are absolute grooveless toss waste of time, and yes people
should be able to handle lots of us (i know i ain't only one), believing
this is the case + especially handle a bit more constructive criticism


do i make myself clear?

x2

amen to that. make that x3

[_boring]

there is TONS of trash tunes for sure.

great ones too.

start producing

[eshscramble]

i've given out criticism and it's generally been taken and appreciated-

it's all in the amount of effort you put forth into communicating your thoughts. no one will ever be offended if they receive sincere criticism, however, a jerk off quip with overtones of 'you are less than i' will be met with a wall of personal defense

the above was not directed at anyone in this thread, nor anyone in particular, but we've all seen some serious disrespect(negative criticism) shown in posts, that maybe didn't necessarily exist except through perception of such- easily prevented with thinking about what you say when giving criticism, it's kind of a sensitive area for anyone...

just come correct, right?

[bagelator]

I have noticed that there seems to be an unwritten rule here - an unwritten rule which is sometimes challenged by courageous dissenters ( these dissenters, those who have not been crushed under the almost unbearable pressure to say what the others feel obliged to say, those who have not been been mesmerized by the dubstep hype machine, are immediately attacked ad hominem and " silenced " : order is restored ) : the only good form of criticism is praise / hype.

It seems Dubstep - in the online and offline worlds - cannot be negatively criticized.

But this raises the question : is a Dubstep track by default a good track ?

Of course not.

Then, why is it not appropriate for one to share certain negative views ( in a civilized manner, of course ), views which could possibily be incorporated in the musical production process by the producers who use this dubstep forum ?

Are we afraid of negativity ?

I will repeat what I have said many, many times in the past : this " forced " positivity ( the only good form of criticism is positive criticism... negative criticism cannot be allowed in conversations or threads ) that some of us are so fond of is the " death of criticism ". Negative criticism has to be allowed and encouraged in order for the producers to know what their public likes and dislikes. It has to be allowed and encouraged in the hopes that these views will reach the ears or eyes of the Dubstep producers we know and love and that they will be incorporated in the production process.

A lot of dubsteppers will not tolerate what I call " honest criticism ", and this refusal of criticism is indeed blurring the lines between the good, the average and the awful : when, on a forum such as this one, the only form of criticism tolerated is positive criticism, the average and the awful will obviously " look better " than they are in reality.

Oh, I can anticipate the replies this thread will get :

" If you have nothing positive to say about x track or y producer, then you need not express your views. "

" Your negative views are the product of your subjective appreciation of this or that track. "

I am a fierce defender of balanced criticism ( positive and negative views regarding a specific track or producer expressed in a civilized manner, and constructive in their intended effects ) and I think it's extremely important, for the future of this music, to allow negative views and positive views to find their place on this forum.

not many people are able to express themselves in a manner that allows dissent without resorting to crass generalizations and slanging matches. what you gonna do?

[diablo]

start producing

I'd rather bitch and moan!!!!!!

[schamotnik]

I agree that negative criticism should be allowed, however threads that say this or that artist is ruining dubstep blabla are just stupid and boring..
Still I think artists should be able to handle more criticism, unless it's "your tunes are shit" comments which are obviously useless.

[feral witchchild]

Meh, I think it's important for any producer worth his or her salt to take any and all feedback into consideration, regardless of whether or not it's positive, and regardless of who it's coming from.

Unless, of course, you know, you're just dealing with some "rocker" idiot who sincerely believes that making music with actual instruments somehow takes more effort or is more artistically valid.