Is it me or is Dubstep getting a bit generic already?

fixation · Post by **fixation** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:53 pm

Jonnyrebel wrote:
Its not just coki who doesnt sound like anyone else either imo, I dont think any 2 dubstep producers sound the same and i dont think dubstep will go the way say drum and bass has gone etc... maybe thats wishful thinking but thats where im at.

people always sayin 'learn from your mistakes', shall we not learn where/why drum and bass went wrong, and try to aviod that?

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:57 pm

Fixation wrote:
Jonnyrebel wrote:
Its not just coki who doesnt sound like anyone else either imo, I dont think any 2 dubstep producers sound the same and i dont think dubstep will go the way say drum and bass has gone etc... maybe thats wishful thinking but thats where im at.
people always sayin 'learn from your mistakes', shall we not learn where/why drum and bass went wrong, and try to aviod that?

producer's wanna get heard...can't be innovative/different and at the same time popular (well you can...but it's a risk)...risk never getting played out... more a risk when for some it's their bread and butter.

TOX(sic.) wrote:
Is it me or is Dubstep getting a bit generic already?

Opinions please.

i thought similar things when my mum listened to dub when i was younger, it's also what she'd say to me when i listened to rock, it's also what my girlfriend say's to me when i listen to reggae/dub/dubstep etc. again, i'll say similar things to my friend who listens to 80's power metal (no joke). genre's eh.

this has probably been said before.

epithet · Post by **epithet** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:02 am

Is it me or are most dubstepforum users becoming really generic ? Back in the day there were some real characters. Now in much the same way as one can practically chracterise a formula for lowest common denominator dubstep so can one stereotypically profile the average noob fan

spaniard · Post by **spaniard** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:10 am

You can't be listening to the same thing for ages. I stopped listening to dubstep for about a month and then dmz 3rd bday and it was sick. So the sabatical made me enjoy it more if you catch my drift. And agrre with peeps that say dubstep is varied. Many different styles. Good times.

le_hardcore_chiefus · Post by **le_hardcore_chiefus** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:40 am

check out some d boy classics of this label mate...u will soon be clenching ur fist and bouncing round the room
infact i`ll up load some tracks 4 u

http://www.discogs.com/label/D-Boy+Black+Label

some placid k and noize suppressor stuff from like 96-99

i fackin love it

le_hardcore_chiefus · Post by **le_hardcore_chiefus** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:50 am

i`ll also up u some classic sets...have a listen to them, and then go back to ur dubstep...trust me its a perfect blend

le_hardcore_chiefus · Post by **le_hardcore_chiefus** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:00 am

http://www.sendspace.com/file/v913on

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:23 pm

Im gonna drop a bomb here

its easy to say hectic dubstep is just slowed down DNB (its not all like that at all)

its just as easy to say all the minimal soulful deep stuff is just sped up trip hop (some of it is!)

le_hardcore_chiefus · Post by **le_hardcore_chiefus** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:19 pm

thinkin on...too much of a good thing en all

as promised lad

The Dj Producer-Imagination-Helter Skelter-NYE-96-97.mp3

http://www.sendspace.com/file/sgrg11

Producer @ Helter Skelter Energy 99 August 7th 1999.mp3

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jbe9zk

2 classic sets with classic tracks, and mc vocalists inside...get em in ya!!!! its what warriors were bred on

then come back to some dubstep...such as redvolume 5 and noppa 2...crunch time

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:26 pm

Fixation wrote: people always sayin 'learn from your mistakes', shall we not learn where/why drum and bass went wrong, and try to aviod that?

Your saying DNB went wrong, theres no lessons to be learnt if people don't agree with your opinions.

escobar satan · Post by **escobar satan** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:40 am

Trillbass ftw.

www.trillbass.com

www.myspace.com/trillbass

good times.

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:22 am

Simple City sounds old school. Highlights package for the frontiers?

fixation · Post by **fixation** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:29 am

Thomas wrote:
Fixation wrote: people always sayin 'learn from your mistakes', shall we not learn where/why drum and bass went wrong, and try to aviod that?
Your saying DNB went wrong, theres no lessons to be learnt if people don't agree with your opinions.

what im sayin is, by the general feeling of this forum, people dont want dubstep to go down the same path as dnb, probably used the 'wrong' word as i really like dnb also.

mewkin · Post by **mewkin** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:03 pm

read some bits in this thread about dubstep not being varied and the benga album being a disappointment..

woaw! people!

dubstep is really, really varied and the benga album is top.

i admit that i am pretty much only listening to dubstep at the moment (i get a bit obsessed with these things - pretty much listened only to old skool jungle for about 3 years - yes, it's not healthy, but the good lord wired by brain in mysterious way). The reason i can listen to so much dubstep, is because it is so varied - some of it is pretty much ragga, some dub, some really garage, some nearly house (i generally stay clear of that), other tracks are just crazy-edged noise eg. 2 NAQ (genius!). Excellent! Some parts get all IDM.

if you want to find some different sounds in the dubstep i reckon a good few hours digging at your local dubstep outlet will solve most pangs of boredom with the genre and hopefully inspire your initial love. Or you can try these new digital shops (as is the want with the kids these days!) - they're pretty good for checking out random bits n bobs. You can listen to 3 min chunks of tracks on chemical which is really useful. The inspiration and variation is out there.

Also - Benga album rules! It's so unbelievably varied. Some of it i love, some i don't actually like much - but that's what's great about it. Also, it weirdly works at home and in a club really well. Top.

keep the faith. listen to the bass. the snares will guide you..

big ups

p.s. i do also listen to a lot of: beastie boys, bob dylan, early radiohead, autechre, cypress hill, mogwai etc etc... so i'm not a total obsessive!

mewkin · Post by **mewkin** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:18 pm

Fixation wrote:
Jonnyrebel wrote:
Its not just coki who doesnt sound like anyone else either imo, I dont think any 2 dubstep producers sound the same and i dont think dubstep will go the way say drum and bass has gone etc... maybe thats wishful thinking but thats where im at.
people always sayin 'learn from your mistakes', shall we not learn where/why drum and bass went wrong, and try to aviod that?

i think dubstep is already getting to the overground - just check out the queue for fwd on friday!! there's nothing wrong with a genre going overground, unless of course the sound gets diluted, you can't get into your favourite clubs any more and the beats get infected by things totally alien to the sound. re. DJ Marky and dnb - Is this what you're referring to with the 'mistake'??

I think the whole Marky thing was a mistake for dnb, but that's just cos i love all the darker stuff. i think it put producers off making dark stuff for a while and i got a lot less interested when going out raving. pretty much spelled the end of my dnb days. Also, by the time the darkness returned my tastes had got slower and most of the snares, mad ragga shouting and sub bass i loved - and insane samples - had disappeared

could dubstep go that way? it would be sad and i don't think any of the producers at the moment would take it that way. All the x-over tunes at the mo have been sick - night / some way through this / midnight

dubstep could go the way of jungle in 1997 - split two ways - the more 'overground' tastes and then the dark, tech, harder sounds going even more underground. maybe??

as long as there's still sick beats being made it'll be fine.

anyway, what's all this genre crap about anyway - you can't put sounds in boxes!

i love anything with angry basslines, ragga shouting and sick snares - no matter what genre those things happen to be infecting!

one love to all the madness

fixation · Post by **fixation** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:25 pm

the mistake of dnb imo, is that it became to 'cheesy' when it went overground, and all the tunes sounded similiar.

as long as there's still sick beats being made it'll be fine.

agreed

mewkin · Post by **mewkin** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:29 pm

Fixation wrote:the mistake of dnb imo, is that it became to 'cheesy' when it went overground, and all the tunes sounded similiar.

got ya. totally agree. for me it started with the marky thing. remember going to the opening party of the new brazilian sound ep stuff in ldn many moons ago and thinking - shit! this is weak, it can't possibly take off. hope it doesn't.

How wrong i was!

moody g · Post by **moody g** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:48 pm

Dubstep surely isn't becoming generic, but I believe there are a few points to keep in mind when analyzing this genre:

1. Any music, when listened to obsessively and constantly, will begin to sound blase', or will lose that special feeling that it once had for you. One could liken it to any new undertaking, from drugs to a new women or a new city...the first time is always special and amazing, but as you become used to it, it becomes harder and harder to capture that feeling you had the first time. I would recommend not closing yourselves off from other music, but to listen to a broad range of music, not allowing dubstep to become your sole fix. While your girlfriend or boyfriend may not be so enthusiastic about you sampling other sexual options, music is only going to embrace you if you listen to other things. This may be blasphemy for many of you, but go check out 70's funk, 60's groovy lounge from Italy and France, Spy Jazz, Pantera, Neil Young, The Shadows, The D.O.C., The Gravediggaz, Minnie Ripperton, Muse, and so on and so on.....so much good music which will bring you to appreciate the wonder that is dubstep even more than you do now.

2. As a producer I can tell you that without listening to a broad range of music, the inspiration would only be coming from one source. If you listen only to dubstep, your inspiration will only come from that source. We need to branch out and take in other influences to keep the scene vibrant.

3. Go out to that 70's Funk night in your pub 'round the corner on occasion. You'll find the FWD night much more interesting if you mix it with other opportunities to go out. And then you won't complain about hearing Tune "X" 4 times in a night cause you won't have listened to it 6 times in the last week.

4. Dubstep getting generic? Get on the buttons and make your own innovative sound!

5. Haven't got the skillz to make something worthwhile yet? Everyone who produces was once in your shoes. Put in the time and have interesting ideas and passion and you will soon be making lovely beats, and just remember that you need to make something that you feel is worthwhile, not that you think others will like. If they like it fine, but if not you still are staying true to yourself, and in the process, not making generic music.....that kind of sound comes from people trying to please the masses.....

6. I truly believe that music exists solely to transfer emotion. If a track can't do that, I think it has failed. There is no room for filler music. Producers and DJs need to realize that. There are plenty out there who "get it" however, and I don't think I need to give you my list of them though....

This reply is getting a bit long, but hey, I don't post that much....

EZ y'all....

G

fixation · Post by **fixation** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:54 pm

abs · Post by **abs** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:07 pm

A big post still doesn't change the fact that it's mostly shit, wobbling wank that sounds exactly like every other producer out there, and listening to other genres of music wont stop it from still being shit when you go back to it, neither will attempting to make your own tunes.

I mean, just listen to the caspa & rusko mix cd ting from fabric.. it's like listening to some shitty jump up drum n bass with the tempo sliced in half, I swear its like ever track rusko has made sounds exactly the same.

Is it me or is Dubstep getting a bit generic already?

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