WILEY 8 YEARS AGO PART 1

[antloss]

with the current state grime is in

tell that to durrty goodz man.

the only reason there's less focus on grime is cos even the producers and mc's are movin to dubstep. it aint a bad thing cos the hybrid comin out is insane, but still..

[chef]

I like the tune, Wiley is a fucking don. He's done alot for Uk music... I wouldn't call him a sell out.

The only reason he didn't do the video shoot is becuase he thought the concept with foxes was super wack.

[spiderman]

wearing my rolex is a good tune, proper club banger, not a rave banger, but it wasnt ment for that.

BUT rolex sweep is jus a cheap knock off, and its a shit song musically, and to top it off the dance is jus pie.

wearing my rolex is pretty much a cheap knock off of that bodyrox tune anyway. i reckon the beat for rolex sweep is better than the one for wearing my rolex though, and i definitely dont see how it has less value musically

the lyrics are jus shit, ders no energy in it. i find it a dead tune still.

both beats dont really appeal to me much, and ye they are knock offs but i herd der sampling an older tune, cant remember the name....

the only reason i rate wearing my rolex is because it does what it was made to do and its above a certain low point of energy, it works in clubs.

[chutnut]

wearing my rolex is a good tune, proper club banger, not a rave banger, but it wasnt ment for that.

BUT rolex sweep is jus a cheap knock off, and its a shit song musically, and to top it off the dance is jus pie.

wearing my rolex is pretty much a cheap knock off of that bodyrox tune anyway. i reckon the beat for rolex sweep is better than the one for wearing my rolex though, and i definitely dont see how it has less value musically

the lyrics are jus shit, ders no energy in it. i find it a dead tune still.

both beats dont really appeal to me much, and ye they are knock offs but i herd der sampling an older tune, cant remember the name....

the only reason i rate wearing my rolex is because it does what it was made to do and its above a certain low point of energy, it works in clubs.

yeah i agree the lyrics are shit but "musically" id say its pretty much exactly the same

[spiderman]

do u kno wot, big up william cos wotever he does, under it all he is a true grime head, NOT a sell out.

with the current state grime is in i dont blame him, it needs sum sorta rocket boosting so it can build itself back to its true nature.

i don't think grime's in a bad state at all... the level of the younger MCs is stupidly high and there's nuff quality music being made. just need MORE RAVES!

ye the youngers are sick, but the older generation has kinda fell off...

way too much emphasis on the hip hop style (i.e scorcher and wretch, etc)

but that said the grime artists who have hip hop flows like meridian and roadside g's sumtimes, der music to me is wat UK HIP HOP SHOULD be, that side of "grime" shud jus be fused wid uk hip hop.

as for grime as close to its nature, the younger generation and a few others are still keepin the flame going, and dats good, it has hope.

but without raves, too many bootleggers, small vinyl scene.....its no suprise there off makin t-shirts and commercial tunes to bring money in, they obviously need money otherwise they would be focusing more on the core stuff.

with more money comin in they can expand the underground init, thats the end goal i think. and as its not at that level yet, thats wot i meant by sayin "the state grime is in now"

[spiderman]

I like the tune, Wiley is a fucking don. He's done alot for Uk music... I wouldn't call him a sell out.

The only reason he didn't do the video shoot is becuase he thought the concept with foxes was super wack.

ye but this begs the question WHY did he agree to it in the meeting in the first place?

lol fuck it, hope the tune does well and brings the p's in

[chef]

I like the tune, Wiley is a fucking don. He's done alot for Uk music... I wouldn't call him a sell out.

The only reason he didn't do the video shoot is becuase he thought the concept with foxes was super wack.

ye but this begs the question WHY did he agree to it in the meeting in the first place?

lol fuck it, hope the tune does well and brings the p's in

He didn't know about the Foxy theme until he got there, then he ducked out.

That's what he's like... and in my opinion he coulda been bigger than Dizzee but because of his randomness he hasn't gone down some of the routes he should have.

[pure]

That fox idea was terrible.

[andreamia]

some pix of the mrk1 vs wiley show at the knitting factory nyc (nov 2007) up on the flickr

[pure]

Niceone

[pure]

I will try and record/upload part 2 at some point.

trying

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Wiley's done sooooooooo much for the scene its unbelivable!!

he got positve vibes, always stayed true and supported many many people never forgotten where he came from!

very hard to find such human kind today... (no homo)

[-blade-]

btw i think umbrella is quite well done

[pure]

btw i think umbrella is quite well done

umbrella vol 1 mixtape?

[ozols man]

he got positve vibes,

lol u must be having a bubble

[pure]

Well hes versatile.

[-blade-]

btw i think umbrella is quite well done

umbrella vol 1 mixtape?

yes

[pure]

I should be getting a copy of that soon.

[felixgash]

But no, in all honestly this tune is complete, pop garbage...

...been supporting this one since getting sent the CD a couple months back, but I'll still drop it out and it'll still go off.

Sorry, but did I miss something there?

You have no reservations about decrying the tune as 'complete garbage', but have been 'supporting' this tune since day one. You must have a pretty interesting criteria for selecting tunes there.

'Yeah bruv, I only play rubbish these days, nothing but the worst utter gashment. Standard.'

???

This forum really has its fair share of nincompoops doesn't it..

Before trying to get clever, read the paragraph in its entirety and in the context of the rest of the post. It went like this..

But no, in all honestly this tune is complete, pop garbage.. but, at the same time, it's the biggest tune he's ever made in my opinion. It has more commercial appeal than anything else coming out of the entire 'Garage umbrella' scene (UKG, Bassline, Dub, Grime..) and is sure to go top 10. Pretty bored of it now to be honest, been supporting this one since getting sent the CD a couple months back, but I'll still drop it out and it'll still go off.

The word "pop" before "garbage" was key - I'm not saying this tune is "complete garbage", as you so astutely observed, but "complete pop garbage". Compared to the half-decent, underground bits Wiley's put out over the years 'Rolex' is "pop", and I consider generally consider "pop" music to be garbage - with a fair few exceptions, of course.

Brush up on your syntactical analysis before you get fresh, son.

And even if I thought 'Wearing My Rolex' was crap, as a working DJ I'd happily play it because (as I also said, which you missed first time round) "it has more commercial appeal than anything else coming out of the scene at moment". When I'm mixing at home I'll happily play a bit of 'Oskilatah', bit of '50,000 Watts'.. maybe even dig out the old Ghost eps. But when I'm playing to a packed bar on a Friday night, NOT full of forum geeks but regular club goers, I think they'd probably appreciate a bit of Rolex over the latter mentioned riddims, init blad?

Concentrate on upping your own game and not nit picking, and failing, on the forum.

[dj vk - snakebite ent.]

You're a lot for that mate.