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Re: Skinhead History 101

Post by spooKs » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:43 am

Echo Wanderer wrote:
Alphacat wrote:Skinheads were essentially the blue collar subset of Mod culture. We're talking about the 60's, now...

The inherent conservatism of Mods (aesthetically informed by subtly & sometimes tacitly Fascist art movements, like Italian Futurism) appealed to lots of Britons living in poverty, because its emphasis on dignity, Nationalism, and "traditional" values like hard work and neatness gave people something to strive for while living in the middle of dingy squalor. At the same time, the Mod love of American R&B extended into the Skinhead appreciation for Bluebeat and other R&B flavored Jamaican music.
They were not originally about racism in the least; there were Black skinheads, and the interplay between the newly-arrived West Indian population from the Caribbean end of the Commonwealth and the native born poor White people laid the foundation for all of the Jamaican-isms that are still found in urban British music - especially Dubstep!

That's not to say that they were necessarily champions of open-mindedness. There was a strange tendency for Skinheads to pick on Pakistani immigrants, even back then - some think it's because the West Indians already spoke English while the Pakistanis generally didn't until they arrived in the UK. Skinheads also used to get into it with Rockers, men with long hair, Mods that were considered too effete, and other Skinhead "firms" (aka gangs, crews, whatever). The whole Skinhead uniform was actually tailor-made for fighting; skinny braces give your opponent less to grab onto - same with flight jackets and tight pants - and a shaved head, for that matter. Steel toed boots are an obvious weapon. This aspect of the Skinhead culture merged seamlessly into football hooliganism as time went on.

So into the 70's...

The younger brothers and late comers to the mostly dead Skinhead scene by the mid 70's were living in a different time; Punk was on the ascendency as far as British street culture, Thatcher came into office and put the country on a solidly conservative course in all aspects - financially (trying to target dole recipients) and culturally. The National Front, a far-right & openly Fascist political group, was encouraged by the increasingly reactionary vibe in the land and started actively recruiting at places where young, violent, disenfranchised men hung out (sound like anyone we've been talking about previously?)... Places you wouldn't think Fascists would go solicit their points of view - like shows by bands like Madness and other ska bands - were becoming breeding grounds for the new nationalism, which blamed immigrant populations for "stealing British jobs" (and there's a lesson in there for the U.S. as regards our immigration views) and all sorts of other cop-outs which caused these jobless, angry young fellows to take to the street as the new Skinhead: a jackbooted thug paying lip service to working class values but not actually working honestly, much less even trying to. Bands like Skrewdriver formed to give this viewpoint a rallying cry. And now?

Now everybody thinks being a Skinhead means being a room-temperature-IQ-having racist moron.

Ah, well... things from the past are best left there anyway. Anyone trying to pull of the Skinhead thing now - whether it's the original 'Trad' 2-tone/ska thing or the modern sieg-heiling corruption thereof - is living in the past as much as any hippie... or for that matter, any punk rocker, any rockabilly-types, any of that. That's just my opinion anyway.

The future is much more interesting for its possibilities than what we think we can know about the past.
Almost all of this is true.

However,I am bit surprised you don't mention Suedeheads(who became the Glamrockers),Bootboys(who became Oi!boys and set the blueprint for the skinhead look),and Oi! as well.All those subsects came from Mod too,not just skinheads.And speaking of Skrewdriver,they did NOT start out as a neo-na.zi band,the were an punk rock and Oi! band.After the first incarnation disbanded,they adopted the skin look and that's when the new facist movements began to take notice of them and became thier main audience.Unfortunatley,they also adopted the facist manifesto,due to the fact that the new members were believers in it.In fact,Ian Stuart played in Rolling Stones cover bands before he started Skrewdriver.

As for being a trad skin,I was one in the 80's.I was also 2Tone.The roots are still in me.It's really the SHARPS who gave a lot of us a bad name(here in the states),in my opinion.Neo's were violent,but small in numbers,whereas SHARPS were more a popular trend,and far more violent,attacking pretty much ANYONE they deemed racist.A lot of the neo's here were redneck/racist metalheads who thought punk sound was far more "tough" than metal,as it was becoming too glam in the 80s.In fact,just before the first "Crosover bands" came about(ie:DRI,who predated thrash metal by about 5 years),the "dirtheads"(as we punks used to call them) began calling themselves "Hessians",which refers to German mercenaries employed by Britain during the Revolutionary War,and can also refer to German nationalists of WWII.

I concur that it is sad that the media lumped he whole of shinhead culture under a banner of facism because of a few boneheads.The media were the ones who gave the facists the name "skinhead",though the term was originally coined in Jamaica as a "clean-cut young man"(also see "baldhead").There are countless interviews out there with Laurel Aitken in which he mentions that racists used to come to his shows in the late 70's,but never gave him problems because ska and Oi! had so many connections.
very interesting stuff Alphacat and Echo, a good little read :)

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Re: Skinhead History 101

Post by alphacat » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:35 pm

Echo Wanderer wrote:Almost all of this is true.

However,I am bit surprised you don't mention Suedeheads(who became the Glamrockers),Bootboys(who became Oi!boys and set the blueprint for the skinhead look),and Oi! as well.All those subsects came from Mod too,not just skinheads.And speaking of Skrewdriver,they did NOT start out as a neo-na.zi band,the were an punk rock and Oi! band.After the first incarnation disbanded,they adopted the skin look and that's when the new facist movements began to take notice of them and became thier main audience.Unfortunatley,they also adopted the facist manifesto,due to the fact that the new members were believers in it.In fact,Ian Stuart played in Rolling Stones cover bands before he started Skrewdriver.

As for being a trad skin,I was one in the 80's.I was also 2Tone.The roots are still in me.It's really the SHARPS who gave a lot of us a bad name(here in the states),in my opinion.Neo's were violent,but small in numbers,whereas SHARPS were more a popular trend,and far more violent,attacking pretty much ANYONE they deemed racist.A lot of the neo's here were redneck/racist metalheads who thought punk sound was far more "tough" than metal,as it was becoming too glam in the 80s.In fact,just before the first "Crosover bands" came about(ie:DRI,who predated thrash metal by about 5 years),the "dirtheads"(as we punks used to call them) began calling themselves "Hessians",which refers to German mercenaries employed by Britain during the Revolutionary War,and can also refer to German nationalists of WWII.

I concur that it is sad that the media lumped he whole of shinhead culture under a banner of facism because of a few boneheads.The media were the ones who gave the facists the name "skinhead",though the term was originally coined in Jamaica as a "clean-cut young man"(also see "baldhead").There are countless interviews out there with Laurel Aitken in which he mentions that racists used to come to his shows in the late 70's,but never gave him problems because ska and Oi! had so many connections.
Well to be fair - there were omissions of Skinhead minutiae since I titled it "Skinhead History 101", not "Skinhead Advanced Placement Studies".

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Suedeheads: absolutely the bridge between that blue collar street culture and early glam. Not many people know, for instance, that early Heavy Metal pioneers Slade (who wrote 'Cum On Feel The Noize', which Quiet Riot later made famous) were originally a skinhead band that went suede first. BTW, for those wondering -- a Suedehead meant literally that -- Skinheads with pretty short hair, but not bald.

Oi! Boys: yep, the British Pub Rock contingent of the Skinhead set who were into what could be called power pop as much or more than Soul or R&B. This was the scene that produced members of bands like the Damned and the Clash - before Punk hit big and stole its thunder. It's interesting that Oi! produced Communist, Anarchist, and Fascist bands alike. I still love listening to Oi Polloi.

And as for Skrewdriver - it's sad because they were actually a decent band at one point: Stuart had, ironically, a pretty soulful voice, and you could hear the Stones influence even up into their later idiot racist phase. Too bad he turned out to be such a huge asshole.

In the U.S., SHARPs fighting first with Nazoid crews like Hammerskins, C.A.S.H., W.A.R., A.Y.M., etc. caused a big commotion because nobody on the outside could tell 'em apart; after the fascist crews split for places like Portland and Dallas, the SHARPs in other cities started going after each other and anybody else they felt like -- usually so-called "freaks". When for a brief instant it looked like the Skinhead scene and the hardline Straight-Edge thing (a la Choke from the band Slapshot) looked like they were combining it got really scary; the subcultures were at each others throats. Thankfully that never came to pass, and the metal thing you mention happened instead for better or worse (I still hate the term "moshing!") The Hessian thing came from somewhere else in my understanding though: I'd never heard of the German Nationalist connection. Rather, I'd heard it came from the fact that the Hessian mercenaries of the War of Independence wore their hair unusually long for the time since they were sort of dandies or whatever. Interesting though, I'll check it out.

D.R.I. - the 'Crossover' album. Yeah, I remember when that was actually contentious! Showing my age... ;)

Shoot, we used to see red-laced bootboys at Ska shows too... and hardcore shows (like Bad Brains, lol)... and speed/thrash metal shows. In my area most of the guys who were Boneheads (izan skins as we called 'em) that didn't flee turned into Rockabilly cats, the closest thing to an ethnically White cultural movement they could find. Escaping into the past to be buried with its dust...

I'm glad to be alive here & now, although youth subculture these days mostly disappoints me. Underground electronic music and everything that came from the Dub diaspora are some of the few bright shining lights IMHO.


PS: thanks spooKs!

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Re: Skinhead History 101

Post by echo wanderer » Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:54 pm

Alphacat wrote:

D.R.I. - the 'Crossover' album. Yeah, I remember when that was actually contentious! Showing my age... ;)

Shoot, we used to see red-laced bootboys at Ska shows too... and hardcore shows (like Bad Brains, lol)... and speed/thrash metal shows. In my area most of the guys who were Boneheads (izan skins as we called 'em) that didn't flee turned into Rockabilly cats, the closest thing to an ethnically White cultural movement they could find. Escaping into the past to be buried with its dust...
How old are you mate?I'm gettin' up there in years myself!If I was a dog,I'd surely be decomposed by now! :lol:

I assume you might be American as well,simply because the Rockabilly scene is flooded with ex-neos in California.Since this country is so PC now,it's not "cool" to be racist anymore,so the neos decided it would be easier to be "Amurrrri-kan" instead.But in SoCal,Mexicans run the Rockabilly shows,and a lot of the ex-neos that went 'billy I know ended up marrying Mexican Greaser/Cholabilly girls and having kids with them and suddenly realised they couldn't be racist anymore.

HA!Irony strikes again!!!

But can you blame them?

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Post by tempest » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:23 am

No, I cannot blame them. :lol:



Very interesting read fellas... Very interesting period of time for music and youth society.. Nice to get a first hand insight

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Re: Skinhead History 101

Post by alphacat » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:25 pm

Echo Wanderer wrote:How old are you mate?I'm gettin' up there in years myself!If I was a dog,I'd surely be decomposed by now! :lol:

I assume you might be American as well,simply because the Rockabilly scene is flooded with ex-neos in California.Since this country is so PC now,it's not "cool" to be racist anymore,so the neos decided it would be easier to be "Amurrrri-kan" instead.But in SoCal,Mexicans run the Rockabilly shows,and a lot of the ex-neos that went 'billy I know ended up marrying Mexican Greaser/Cholabilly girls and having kids with them and suddenly realised they couldn't be racist anymore.

HA!Irony strikes again!!!

But can you blame them?

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I'm Dutty-Five... I mean, 35. In dog years (or 'Logan's Run' years) that makes me eligible for being put down. And you're spot on about being in California - I moved here from Chicago with my folks when I was 12... total culture shock. But I remember the "Summer of Haight" when the Boneheads thought they ran Bartertown (the Haight-Ashbury), and I also remember them getting their asses handed to them and most high-tailing outta here.

Weirdly enough we had a crew in the Bay Area called Beantown Skins - who were nazoid Latino skinheads... and my first girlfriend (Mexican American) broke my heart when she cheated with a white power doofus. I still don't understand it to this day, except maybe as an expression of self-loathing.

The SoCal scene is pretty scary at times because all of the real ex-cons, bikers, and gangbangers will try to take a piece outta you if they think you're soft, so dudes like the Cholobilly cats you mention play pretty rough when need be....

...sort of reminds me of a part in the film 'American Hardcore' where the singer of Battalion of Saints went to the first Black Flag show in San Diego; Rollins gets on stage, strikes his "FUCK YOU!" pose, and promptly gets punched hard in the mouth before their set even started. Or stories about the real Sui's (Suicidal Tendencies crips/sureños) stabbing people at shows in places like Fender's Ballroom... yowza.

Thing is, all of these things we're talking about now are the dark underbelly of American suburbia - because the suburbs could be so alienating (especially in the 80's!) that kids went kind of feral almost, banding together in little tribal allegiances that meant everything - if you didn't have a claim on some identity, you were nobody. I'm glad to have experienced it and seen literally thousands of bands over the years, but I'm also glad that it belongs to the past as well, because I wouldn't necessarily wish it on anyone who didn't want it. What mystifies me now is why kids are so fucking docile - we were really, really pissed off at everything, but punk now seems mostly to be either a fashion statement or serious, mindless hate. When I was punk, I was already a marginal person that found other marginal people and found we had much in common; nowadays, punk is what you do to fit in. I see kids with green hair all the time - it's meaningless, which some would say it always was, but I know I used to be able to really rile up some old biblethumping types in my town. Hell, my hair caused a car accident at one point!

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