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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:29 am
by numaestro
As far as I'm concerned, if worst comes to worst, the overground can have the label 'dubstep'. Its just a word. I agree the vibes are whats important, and the vibes will always be there if we want them to be.[/quote]
Word.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:30 am
by paperboy
The Times is owned by News Corporation, inturn owned by Rupert Murdoch. Who also own myspace. Dubstep/grime must now by definition be "mainstream" . Dubstep is hot with The Sunday Times girls? Fuck Rupert Murdochs workshy, style journalists and their opinions.
Watch Murdoch hes a c@nt.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:31 am
by spaceboy
Lets have a group underground hug everybody
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:32 am
by numaestro
Spaceboy wrote:Lets have a group underground hug everybody
Nah - send you a couple of fresh rubs instead
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:43 am
by gravious
i see your points. The more randoms coming into the music -> the more money in it -> the poorer the quality control an so on.
I just think its important not to be too snobby about it, and to welcome the uninformed and sometimes ill-informed. I know that I feel reservations towards 'outsiders' commenting on 'our' scene, and I suppose others have felt the same thing, especially when they are doing so in such a poorly informed manner ("riddims from the 'hood..."), otherwise threads like this wouldn't exist.
But we can't shut ourselves away from the world is all.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:54 am
by spaceboy
FFS - its only a one liner in a style mag. It will make absolutely no difference to the status quo.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:59 am
by rich_c90
gravious wrote:we can't shut ourselves away from the world is all.
init!
I think we need a bit of a reality check... How many scenes have their been in the past that have gone from underground to overground? Tons and tons. If the music is good, this is inevitable. This might lead to diluation of sound, diluation of quality and diluation of vibes...
Which is bad...
But the good thing is that there always be something new and exciting happening on the underground... it might be dubstep by another name, but - without getting all cliched on your literary arses - a dub by any other name sounds as sweet... Maybe you think that the diluted sound that you fear don't deserve to be called dubstep. Maybe so. But, as i said before, its just a word...
Reinvent and survive...
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:00 pm
by forensix (mcr)
Spaceboy wrote:FFS - its only a one liner in a style mag. It will make absolutely no difference to the status quo.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:03 pm
by rich_c90
Spaceboy wrote:FFS - its only a one liner in a style mag. It will make absolutely no difference to the status quo.
By itself, of course it won't. But the point is that I think we have to resign ourselves to the fact that this music may well not stay underground for that much longer... and i think the line in the sunday times style magazine brings that to our attention.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:08 pm
by spaceboy
TBH I think the forum urchins are mulling over air again. IT's positive, it will sell more units, it will get the players djing all round the world...
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:24 pm
by metalboxproducts
DJ Whistla wrote:ramadanman wrote:Rich_c90 wrote:gravious wrote:
Does it matter if people don't know what this music is about? Do you have to know to enjoy it? (and if so, why??)
Whats to lose?
well i think the concern is a dilution of quality and of vibes.
one of the things that distinguishes dubstep from other scenes is seriously good vibes at the dance, and also pretty high standards when it comes to releases.
for me, the cliché description of dubstep as music from the "hood" kinda sums it up... all a bit voyeuristic really..
Yes Ramadanman! That is it completely!
IMO the N.A.S.A (nice an safe attitude) that has pervaded this scene is going goin.... not yet gone but nearly.
A good example of this is the insulting emails i know Deapoh has recieved demanding that there mixes be put on barefiles (i'm only using deapoh as an example hope u dont mind bro). The scene is made up of people spending there free time creating and making available the music they like. When big players (like Radio 1 bla bla bla) get involved these people are the first ones who see the switch from people interested in music to people interested in money.
When this new mindset enters a scene it destroys the original creativity that grew it and ends up making the scene into a genre with no character.
rant over
And then disregarded as passe
I hate to sound pessimistic, but i am, so i do. This happens with every scene regardless of form, it being music, art, or cultural. There is nothing you can do about it once something infiltrates the mainstream apart from make another scene. Lets put this into perspective. There's only been a handfull of remarks in the sunday papers. At least Kode 9 isn't in East bloody Enders. When that happens you know the original ethos of the scene is dead and buried. We are nowhere near that. And there's allways going to be pricks around, you just hope the don't become dominant. I think we'll be fine for a while yet. It still is a tiny scene comparetivly speaking.
Screw them.
Car company's don't use dubstep in they're ads, yet.
I do agree with you, by the way Whistla
If people want to sell it as music from the hood they will do this regardless of what we say or do. At the end of the day "music from the hood" make much better copy than say, the thruth " music from smelly bedrooms made by men with computers". People like to hear the glamerous side of things. We all know the hood is far from glam, but once it goes through the marketing/image paradigm it does become appealing/edgy/dangerous.
Oh f**k it.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:33 pm
by spaceboy
reading a book called the Tipping Point...talks about social viruses...how when something goes over a certain level...it suddenly explodes massively....
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:46 pm
by rich_c90
metalboxproducts wrote: This happens with every scene regardless of form, it being music, art, or cultural.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:50 pm
by spaceboy
AND...another form of underground music will emerge...probably in the next 2 years...
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:54 pm
by rich_c90
Spaceboy wrote:AND...another form of underground music will emerge...probably in the next 2 years...
exactly. You can kill the creativity within a scene (cf. D'n'B), but you can't kill creativity simpliciter...
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:04 pm
by spaceboy
its so not that black and white.
I would never say creativity is dead in DNB. I think thats a diss to an organically grown scene.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:07 pm
by rich_c90
Aye, it ain't black and white, prolly just being a tad hyperbolic there...
But personally, I think the d'n'b scene is such that it stiffles real creativity, but thats just an opinion that I admit isn't that well-informed.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:08 pm
by spaceboy
I'd say its the same in dubstep.
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:14 pm
by rich_c90
Spaceboy wrote:I'd say its the same in dubstep.
care to expand?
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:19 pm
by spaceboy
TBH, not really. But dubstep could've been a much wider sound today, with alot more influence and variety. But its not.