Hurtdeer wrote:Black, doom, power, so on so on, are also a 'kind of metal' that a lot of people just call metal, because they all come from a distinctive metal background. Same with nu-metal. 90s funk rock was an influence on the nu-metal scene, as were a thousand other styles. But the biggest influence, and the only one to be agreed on by all of the bands really, was heavy metal. The only reason to say death metal is metal and nu-metal isn't is because you don't like nu-metal.
That makes absolutely no sense at all, because by that logic, "metal" should be a way to measure inherent quality and I should like every metal band. Meanwhile, I've never heard any power metal I like and I can't stand At The Gates or Slayer: I'm not going to say that any of these aren't metal now.
Black metal isn't "kinda metal". It's a type of metal. It doesn't just incorporate metal influences, but it does metal a certain way.
Hurtdeer wrote:All genre names get populated by media, mainstream or not, and "radio rock" magazines aren't the only form of musical media out there.
But they're not. I gave you examples of genres that had been around before the mainstream media got ahold of the term. For example, Eric Wood from Man is the Bastard came up with "powerviolence" on the song "H.S.M.P." and it was spread by zines of people who were apart of the scene itself. People who are in touch with the music.
This wasn't some random idiot from Rolling Stone magazine who doesn't know crap about the genre he/she's writing about ,calling everything from Gauze to Pennywise "powerviolence". Similarly, I don't trust Pitchfork to write a decent review about anything that isn't indie rock because they're clearly not that knowledgeable on anything that isn't indie rock.
Hurtdeer wrote:I don't read them, my opinions on music come from my own analysis, and not through the "mainstream" you feel so threatened by. Hell, nu-metal has a significant mention on the heavy metal wikipedia page along with all the other subgenres, but I guess wikipedia is some mainstream sellout bullshit too??
I don't feel threatened by the mainstream, given that I love plenty of Kelly Clarkson and Kylie Minogue songs and Fiona Apple is one of my biggest influences as a musician, I just don't trust the writer of a big rock & roll magazine to know much about metal. Just as little as I trust an underground thrashcore zine to write a decent review of a mainstream pop record or like I don't trust someone who doesn't listen to any music released after '79 to write a decent review about a modern day hip-hop record.
Accepting that mainstream media is flawed and does things wrong doesn't mean that I am afraid of it. I didn't mention underground zines and my critique of them, either, so don't fill in blanks that you think should be filled. Read what I type, not what I don't type. Thanks.
And wikipedia is open source. Because the style is called "nu-metal" "nu-metal" and "metal" get a lot of google hits when used together and mainstream media outlets (who also have no idea what "emo" is and have used it wrongfully for various types of indie pop, punk-pop and post-hardcore) have used those terms interchangeably for a decade, so of course people are going to write about it. I had to remove "powerviolence" from the list of grindcore subgenres because when mainstream media outlets got a hold of the term "powerviolence" they called it a "subgenre of grindcore", meanwhile, powerviolence grew out of the fast straight edge styles in Los Angeles, influenced by the thrashcore that had been around earlier. When Eric Wood heard the originators of powerviolence, Infest, he was happy to hear an intense as fuck punk band that didn't sound like grindcore. But nope, some misguided, and sadly the most well published, sources claim powerviolence is actually grind so it was added.
Hurtdeer wrote:I'm not a huge fan of a style myself (the metal I actually listen to you'd probably be okay with me calling it that), but I don't see how you can get so bogged over by the fact that I mention Korn when talking about metal and dubstep, since its relevant.
Bogged up? I mainly said that they're not metal so Korn would be a bad choice to compare dubstep and metal and Acid Bath was a better example, actually being, you know, metal and all.
Theyve got some fucking awesome riffs that are choking to get robbed!