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i think that it's kinda pointless, as everyone knows that paris hilton is famous for nothing (except maybe being a boring shag on the internet), even those who may buy her records - it's been shouted from the rooftops for long enough.

anyone who's really interested in banksy's work is not going to buy the record anyway (unless in the spirit of post-modernist irony or some such shite).

i doubt that it's much of an ego-trip, however, as nobody (except his chosen few or whatever) know who he is.
what would stroke his ego is the fact that there are 4 pages on this thread.

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boomnoise wrote: Why on earth wouldn't it benefit him? Profile raised, his own personal brand value raised, he sells a few more books (which HMV undoubtedly sell) and possibly pockets a fat check from the record label. The deal with HMV would have been set up by the label's PR team and HMV are gagging for publicity at the moment.

And i can confirm that Paris Hilton sales have shot up this week and not just sales from people looking for a piece of banksy.

Paranoia. I love that piece he did of the policeman blowing a line that extends for ten-odd city blocks>

damn i'm glad i missed this thread

banksy is an awesome dude

substance d wrote:

boomnoise wrote: Why on earth wouldn't it benefit him? Profile raised, his own personal brand value raised, he sells a few more books (which HMV undoubtedly sell) and possibly pockets a fat check from the record label. The deal with HMV would have been set up by the label's PR team and HMV are gagging for publicity at the moment.

And i can confirm that Paris Hilton sales have shot up this week and not just sales from people looking for a piece of banksy.

Paranoia. I love that piece he did of the policeman blowing a line that extends for ten-odd city blocks>

it's not paranoia. it's critical thinking.

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Some of the people posting this thread seem to be well angry but without giving real reason. Seems a bit childish.

I personally like finding his stuff while I'm out doing things. I think he's quite creative.

At anyrate here's one I found in Glasgow the other month:

God this thread's a bit old now so I don't really want to wade in, but...

For me I can sum up Banksy thus: Yes I can find it amusing when you spray "Mind the Crap" on the steps of the Tate Gallery, but when you're flogging your own canvases and shit for a few grand a pop just down the road, I'm afraid a get a pretty strong whiff of bullshit.


btw someone earlier in the thread said that Banksy was never into writing - I used to know him way back and still see him in Bris once every blue moon, and of course he used to write - check the "Class - the new pollution" piece at the bottom of Ashley Down Rd for a start (if it's still there), or Mild Mild West which is obviously not all stencilled.

Your probably refering to me Diccon, I said he wasnt a graff writer as far as graff writers go, but ofcourse that doesnt limit him to only stencils all the time.

The thread is pretty old true, think ive said all i can, i just dont see a problem with him making some cash off the back of what he does, he could be making 10x more...

Anyways, im not getting back into that one

jheeeez some people really have some issues! I thought it was just a funny thing to do (the Paris Hilton swap). And if you think a record company would allow that to happen for publicity, thats a bit misguided. That's not the kind of publicity that they'd want for selling her record is it?

Imagine the type of person that would buy her CD, they would be pretty pissed off and offended, and not amused at all.

And in that respect I thought it was brilliant, and two fingers up! Fuck the socio-political bullshit. Whatever anyone says, it's thought provoking stuff on a street level (not intended to be high art or deeply meaningful - you see what you want to see), and unless your some kind of pretentious wankstain who'd poo your pants with disgust at the thought of his 'low/non art', it'll make you think, if only briefly, about what the image is about (if anything)

Banksy started off doing anonimous stencils (there's loads in Brighton) - people liked em - they were interesting, and of course he's gonna go with it if he can make a living off it. If some mug offered you thousands for your artwork would you turn it down? What should he do, live in squalor and 'keep it real'? Fuck the bollocks, and good on him is all I'm gonna say.

I don't see it as deeply political, and I don't think its meant to be either. More ironic imagery than anything else.

true banksy is awesome and all that, etc. great post.

but i do think he takes his politics fairly seriously. it may have been just a publicity stunt but he once traveled to EZLN controlled mexico to show support for their cause

Fair enough man. The thing about politics, is that it's always gonna be corrupt if you're standing on the wrong side of the fence, so I don't look into it in that way. I just casually enjoy the imagery if I come across it.

yes, and also not all of his stuff is as overtly political as people try to make it

but people getting upset about him painting the west bank barrier need to get a grip

its cool shit: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/gallery/0,,1543331,00.html

o and here's the music from the cd: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mz8ll7

If some mug offered you thousands for your artwork

i'd imagine it was the other way round with regards to the pricing

What should he do, live in squalor and 'keep it real'? Fuck the bollocks, and good on him is all I'm gonna say.

it's just that he goes to such great lengths to ram his liberal quasi-socialist agenda down people's throats and yet, at the end of the day, is making a not-too-shabby living off the very capitalist system that alot of his work and activities berate.

i do find him witty, and he's obviously talented, but i just wish he'd lose the political guerilla pretentions

this is a startlingly sensible debate for OT

maybe things aren't as black and white as naysayers would choose to believe

it is very possible to function in a system that you question

everybody should question their surroundings and this kneejerk reaction to perceived socialist agenda seems to me to be a bit half-baked itself

its the similar to the bush administration labeling anybody who questions them a terrorist

pk- wrote: it's just that he goes to such great lengths to ram his liberal quasi-socialist agenda down people's throats

hardly.
he makes art. how subtle do you think he should be with his opinions/feelings/reactions about the world he lives in?
perhaps he ought to have a little self-awareness and refrain from public discourse, eh? who does he think he is? bloody loudmouth.
if he garners attention, maybe it's because his art is effective, as much as his hidden networking.
and, if someone finds within themself the urge to comment on dominant ideology, psychic oppression and social heirachies, do they neccesarily have to be the most consistent, dedicated socialist evar in order to be worth a look? in order to be entitled to expression?
artistic licence aint a piece of paper, you don't get given it.

/\ /\ what is the point of saying an artist's work is meaningless or empty?
this is not a reflection on the art or the artist, it only tells about the spectator.

the hilton thing...
why can't this be seen as cultural circuit-bending?
to some poor souls, hilton is an idol.
the points of access, the shrines, are live events, officially blessed products, and media promotion/plugging/reportage.
the officially blessed artifacts/fetishes/totums/charms have to be aqquired through sanctioned vendors, a secure mechanism where real money/work-hours can be exchanged for authentically emenated by-products of fame, glory and natural-superiority.
what does it mean if you can go into one of these places, choose your brand, make your sacrifice, and end up with some piece of cottage-industry, giggling vandalism? something that didn't travel the route of databases and freight trucks and uniformed shelf-stackers.
the guy who did that wasn't wearing a name-tag?!?
i reckon, to some people (far too many), that would actually be beyond the pale.
maybe it's not a big thing but it's a part of one.