Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:47 pm
FOR REALdeamonds wrote:hold tight them man making these sort of tunes lolUncle Bill wrote: There are always people in any scene making tunes for pale virgin boys to pull their screw faces to
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:49 pm
Wow... that was the best interview I have ever read. Big up!
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:55 pm
problem with most funky is this 'feminine pressure' people are talking about really just reads are pure and utter cheeeeeez pop music to me.
i can see the balance of this working in all the good 2step out there [heavy bass, some dark, some bordering on aggression, tempered by some pop hooks which can be a female vocal] but really 95% of funky is this close to be put together as the next Ministry of Sound mindless pop party wank.
the 5% of funky being amazing is the stripped back percussive stuff like Roska, HH Banton, Fuzzy Logic, some Geeneus, Kode's forray into the sound etc... which attain that balance mentioned above...
I mean if you're just into funky cause of the increased female to male ratio then why not just head to the Hippodrome or some shit... who cares what music is being played! tits! yeah! woo! get me another Smirnoff ice dah-ling!
i can see the balance of this working in all the good 2step out there [heavy bass, some dark, some bordering on aggression, tempered by some pop hooks which can be a female vocal] but really 95% of funky is this close to be put together as the next Ministry of Sound mindless pop party wank.
the 5% of funky being amazing is the stripped back percussive stuff like Roska, HH Banton, Fuzzy Logic, some Geeneus, Kode's forray into the sound etc... which attain that balance mentioned above...
I mean if you're just into funky cause of the increased female to male ratio then why not just head to the Hippodrome or some shit... who cares what music is being played! tits! yeah! woo! get me another Smirnoff ice dah-ling!
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:03 pm
Wicked interview - wanna pick up a copy of Wire to see how it's ben edited down for print but personally I found the business chat pretty insightful.
Also this;
Also this;
..is about as good a state of the nation address as I've read on hereUncle Bill wrote:For me, the best sets get a good balance between positive, melodic tunes and hard as nails bass anthems. It's when you get whole lineups of DJs playing the same style all night with no light and shade that the general music fans who come to the scene ditch the clubs in droves. The last DMZ had Oneman playing garage anthems, Joker playing sleazy funk and Distance & Gothtrad rinsing out the hard stuff on the same lineup. For me, that's EXACTLY what this scene is about.
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:26 pm
Well I'm not the person to be talking to about lack of aggro at the last DMZ, but that aint the point. I'm talking more musically than about people. Most of the main players on the scene have changed over the last few years to a harder sound which I'm less keen on - like Skream, Benga, Youngsta, N-Type, Rusko and others. I even thought the last DMZ stale on the night was very stale and had too much of that big snare kinda sound - there set was certainly more jump up than in previous years.Uncle Bill wrote:Where?hopper wrote:Badga Tek wrote:Uh-oh I can see this thread going seriously off-road especially given the way other threads have been going recently.Ory wrote:I don't see how it's juvenile to talk about women in regards to dance music. After all, part of the reason dubstep is going to shit is that it's completely lost its libido.
I completely agree with you though Ory. The only reason some dubsteppers like myself are migrating to funky is because there are far more buff tings in the dance
Though I'd agree that the music in dubstep has massively lost its libido which was part of it's attraction. It's a point I often make about the problem in dubstep these days, it just doesn't really have that same je ne said quoi quality that it used to have. Still though, you've got producers like headhunter who are keeping it fresh and moving. It's all just too 'big fuckoff in your face atm'
Maybe it's because I don't get out as much as some people on this forum being really old and that but I don't see this happening where I live. Maybe it's a bit more chilled out in Bristol on the whole but my only experience of dubstep in London is DMZ which was also an attitude free zone.
If you're talking about stuff like "Where's My Money" that seems a pretty small part of the scene to me. The main reason I shifted to listening to more dubstep instead of d&b / breakcore / acid etc is because it doesn't have so much of that "big fuckoff in your face" attitude that you're talking about, or at least it's easy enough to avoid if you look out for the right lineups.
There are always people in any scene making tunes for pale virgin boys to pull their screw faces to but I don't think it's just dubstep. In fact I know it isn't.
I like a lot of the tunes classed as funky as well but I think it's a shame to see the scene divided up that way. For me, the best sets get a good balance between positive, melodic tunes and hard as nails bass anthems. It's when you get whole lineups of DJs playing the same style all night with no light and shade that the general music fans who come to the scene ditch the clubs in droves. The last DMZ had Oneman playing garage anthems, Joker playing sleazy funk and Distance & Gothtrad rinsing out the hard stuff on the same lineup. For me, that's EXACTLY what this scene is about.
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:51 pm
lolhopper wrote:Badga Tek wrote:Uh-oh I can see this thread going seriously off-road especially given the way other threads have been going recently.Ory wrote:I don't see how it's juvenile to talk about women in regards to dance music. After all, part of the reason dubstep is going to shit is that it's completely lost its libido.
I completely agree with you though Ory. The only reason some dubsteppers like myself are migrating to funky is because there are far more buff tings in the dance
Though I'd agree that the music in dubstep has massively lost its libido which was part of it's attraction.
yeah, like Request Line and Horror Show were an automatic trigger 4 sexual desire
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:58 pm
yeah I see your point. and I love all that old murky, paranoid smokers type stuff.
but on the other hand my favourite Mala tune is "Sundayz" which is very err.. sensual.
but on the other hand my favourite Mala tune is "Sundayz" which is very err.. sensual.
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:19 pm
I think you take my point far too literally, I never went to nights for libido nor would I have even used that would had it not been mentioned before, but they both have a definite slinkiness that you don't find in new productions today that I really missDavid_M wrote:lolhopper wrote:Badga Tek wrote:Uh-oh I can see this thread going seriously off-road especially given the way other threads have been going recently.Ory wrote:I don't see how it's juvenile to talk about women in regards to dance music. After all, part of the reason dubstep is going to shit is that it's completely lost its libido.
I completely agree with you though Ory. The only reason some dubsteppers like myself are migrating to funky is because there are far more buff tings in the dance
Though I'd agree that the music in dubstep has massively lost its libido which was part of it's attraction.
yeah, like Request Line and Horror Show were an automatic trigger 4 sexual desire
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:31 pm
nah I didn't mean to quote you specifically, it was more directed to the tone of this thread and the whole forum today. What I intended to say it's the music shouldn't be any less appealing to women now that say, in 2005
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:22 am
el-b is awesome
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:57 pm
Just heard the first few El-B Colombian Funky joints... I can safely say they have got a HEALTHY libido 
Oh yeah and he's done a Colombian-style DJ mix for my soon-to-launch website... watch this space
Oh yeah and he's done a Colombian-style DJ mix for my soon-to-launch website... watch this space
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:23 pm
Yeah yeah that sounds wicked. I love the slinky funk of Stone Cold x times more than the present-time darkness of Ghost crew, I gotta say
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:42 pm
I have to say I find it fascinating how much emphasis is placed on what women listen to and go out to, and how it affects some users of this board.
lol
lol
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:36 pm
interesting read. is he releasing his house tracks under the name 'el-b' or changin it up?
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:27 am
el b is the MAN
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:29 am
biggle
nice one
nice one
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:25 am
thanks for interesting interview. Hope he is going to play some of the new material at PP next week- even if it is for a nostalgic CD release (also massive)
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:03 am
Whereas other key people like Pinch and Kode 9 have gone less dark and more uplifting than ever before. There’s more than one thing going on at the moment. That was my point. Loving dubstep means embracing its diversity.hopper wrote:Well I'm not the person to be talking to about lack of aggro at the last DMZ, but that aint the point. I'm talking more musically than about people. Most of the main players on the scene have changed over the last few years to a harder sound which I'm less keen on - like Skream, Benga, Youngsta, N-Type, Rusko and others. I even thought the last DMZ stale on the night was very stale and had too much of that big snare kinda sound - there set was certainly more jump up than in previous years.Uncle Bill wrote:Where?hopper wrote:Badga Tek wrote:Uh-oh I can see this thread going seriously off-road especially given the way other threads have been going recently.Ory wrote:I don't see how it's juvenile to talk about women in regards to dance music. After all, part of the reason dubstep is going to shit is that it's completely lost its libido.
I completely agree with you though Ory. The only reason some dubsteppers like myself are migrating to funky is because there are far more buff tings in the dance
Though I'd agree that the music in dubstep has massively lost its libido which was part of it's attraction. It's a point I often make about the problem in dubstep these days, it just doesn't really have that same je ne said quoi quality that it used to have. Still though, you've got producers like headhunter who are keeping it fresh and moving. It's all just too 'big fuckoff in your face atm'
Maybe it's because I don't get out as much as some people on this forum being really old and that but I don't see this happening where I live. Maybe it's a bit more chilled out in Bristol on the whole but my only experience of dubstep in London is DMZ which was also an attitude free zone.
If you're talking about stuff like "Where's My Money" that seems a pretty small part of the scene to me. The main reason I shifted to listening to more dubstep instead of d&b / breakcore / acid etc is because it doesn't have so much of that "big fuckoff in your face" attitude that you're talking about, or at least it's easy enough to avoid if you look out for the right lineups.
There are always people in any scene making tunes for pale virgin boys to pull their screw faces to but I don't think it's just dubstep. In fact I know it isn't.
I like a lot of the tunes classed as funky as well but I think it's a shame to see the scene divided up that way. For me, the best sets get a good balance between positive, melodic tunes and hard as nails bass anthems. It's when you get whole lineups of DJs playing the same style all night with no light and shade that the general music fans who come to the scene ditch the clubs in droves. The last DMZ had Oneman playing garage anthems, Joker playing sleazy funk and Distance & Gothtrad rinsing out the hard stuff on the same lineup. For me, that's EXACTLY what this scene is about.