Page 4 of 8
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:50 pm
by w!5k
Shakedown wrote:PASTED FROM SOURCE
d+b bootlegs from HTFR
was just reading about the new bootleg of 'the nine' exclusive to HTFR. I am suspicious that maybe htfr are the source of these bootlegs?
i was fucked over by htfr at xmas when buying a copy of 'roll on' and 'bonanza kid'. Both were advertised as 'uk official promo', and they charged about £15 for each. Rather than post out a proper copy, they sent out a bootleg that sounded like it had been recorded onto a dictaphone ,and on extremely warped vinyl.
Basically i got in touch with Trading Standards to report it, and they confirmed it was bootlegged. I looked into things a bit further, and it appears that HTFR is always the first source of these bootlegged vinyls. Sometimes they are unique in having exclusive stock of other classics they offer and I am guessing that they are responsilbe for the 'nine' bootlegs that have just come out.
I'm not sure what Trading Standards did in my case with respect to pursuing things with HTFR, but they are breaking the law on two counts: 1/ selling bootlegged material and 2/ incorectly advertising it as 'official uk promos'
It could possibly be them that produce these vinyls, as there are no other sites that seem to have the unparalleled levels of stock of these bootlegs.
Evidence that confirms this is the fact that even if one of their bootlegged vinyls is 'out of stock', it is always possible for HTFR to 'order in' more copies.
Check this for 'roll on' for example:
http://www.htfr.com/wishlist/?catno=MR127423
The way they can get these bootlegs on demand suggests they are manufacturing them themselves, or have connections to the place producing them. Either way its gotta stop, they fucked me over twice before with the tunes i mentioned. They shouldnt really be stocking them in the first place, let alone taking orders for more when they run out of stock!
this bootleg that this store are still selling as in stock?
http://www.imorecords.com/View/21648/
or these 1s!
http://www.imorecords.com/Products/results/search/
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:55 pm
by T_macabre
skream wrote:this is not legit
TSK TSK HTFR!
regardless of whether they're pressing them or not, a good shop wouldnt take illegitimate vinyl. more time the pressin sounds shit anyway
looks like HTFR saw ££ signs
*hugs original press*
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:13 pm
by dubstura
The Wiggle Baron wrote:Im guessing the distributors found more or something similar? Would be veeery strange for 2 reputable online record stores to get back in copies of something like this at the same time surely? What skream said rules out the repress, but yeah, more copies floating about? Got to say I would have there to be less/them to sell out quicker than this.
Who knows
Who knows? Anyone who has any clue as to how the music industry in general and the shrinking vinyl industry works does!
There is no such thing as "found more copies" when the original 500 copies only press was sold out in an instant. As for the distributor, this dodgy bootleg is coming from a distributor who is notorious for illegal quick-cash, bad-pressed wax. So do the maths! If you can.
What a shame to see Juno jumping in - no integrity whatsowever eh?
I think we should all boycott both Juno and HTFR - they're making a quick buck whilst Skream is not seeing a penny out of this.
Piracy at its worst - from two of the leading online retailers! Shame on them.
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:25 pm
by unibored
I have a rule about buying from HTFR. Don't do it.
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:34 pm
by fork
Unibored wrote:I have a rule about buying from HTFR. Don't do it.
I also follow this rule.
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:58 pm
by the wiggle baron
dubstura wrote:The Wiggle Baron wrote:Im guessing the distributors found more or something similar? Would be veeery strange for 2 reputable online record stores to get back in copies of something like this at the same time surely? What skream said rules out the repress, but yeah, more copies floating about? Got to say I would have there to be less/them to sell out quicker than this.
Who knows
Who knows? Anyone who has any clue as to how the music industry in general and the shrinking vinyl industry works does!
There is no such thing as "found more copies" when the original 500 copies only press was sold out in an instant. As for the distributor, this dodgy bootleg is coming from a distributor who is notorious for illegal quick-cash, bad-pressed wax. So do the maths! If you can.
What a shame to see Juno jumping in - no integrity whatsowever eh?
I think we should all boycott both Juno and HTFR - they're making a quick buck whilst Skream is not seeing a penny out of this.
Piracy at its worst - from two of the leading online retailers! Shame on them.
lol, all about the massive condescendance (is that a word? It should be a word) on the first post.
And why is there no such thing as "found more copies"? If some copies were misplaced, it doesn't make a difference how fast they sold out, they're misplaced. Take Skull disco 001 as an example? 40 copies found under a sink long after it became impossible to get.
I was expecting to see them disappear in seconds though, which would make me think that its not just an odd few found hiding away somewhere. Seems to be alot of them, and that seems dodgy as fuck. Definitely have more respect for juno than that I got to say, but who knows with htfr really. Had my share of experiences/stories about them that would lead me to think
And I got to say, I would 100% agree with juno/htfr boycott if this is what has happened (and they were aware of this). Cos like, how much more bang out of fucking order can you get?
Is there not surely some SERIOUS legal recourse on the cards here?
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:27 pm
by Jak The lad
HTFR up to their naughty stuff again?
Didn't they get caught pressing up bootlegs a few years back?
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:31 pm
by godflesh fiend
W!5K wrote:This is not a bootleg, we got them from a distributor, not pressed up by our selves lol, it's the same 1 all the other shops are selling.
if any 1s got any questions take it up with them.
In that case.....who is "them"?
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:25 pm
by gidman
dubstura wrote:The Wiggle Baron wrote:Im guessing the distributors found more or something similar? Would be veeery strange for 2 reputable online record stores to get back in copies of something like this at the same time surely? What skream said rules out the repress, but yeah, more copies floating about? Got to say I would have there to be less/them to sell out quicker than this.
Who knows
Who knows? Anyone who has any clue as to how the music industry in general and the shrinking vinyl industry works does!
There is no such thing as "found more copies" when the original 500 copies only press was sold out in an instant. As for the distributor, this dodgy bootleg is coming from a distributor who is notorious for illegal quick-cash, bad-pressed wax. So do the maths! If you can.
What a shame to see Juno jumping in - no integrity whatsowever eh?
I think we should all boycott both Juno and HTFR - they're making a quick buck whilst Skream is not seeing a penny out of this.
Piracy at its worst - from two of the leading online retailers! Shame on them.
Definately. Dont usually buy from htfr. bought this with out reading the rest of the post this mornin but after seeing skream say they are not legit will not be buying from them again. shame to see shanigans like this but i guess if there's money to be made...
what happened to the love of music
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:39 pm
by WhoAmI - NXT Records
JELLYMAN COULD YOU PLEASE CHANGE THE TITLE OF THIS TO MENTION THE WHOLE SHITTY BOOTLEGNESS OF THESE VINYLS.
Seems people are buying without reading.
I'M THINKING MAYBE MR.JELLYMAN COULD BE WORKING WITH THAT SITE.
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:10 pm
by surface_tension
Nobody can verify the stock levels at HTFR can they? Surely this could be a few copies yea?
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:01 pm
by isiahfire
Very shocked by this, had no idea at all. Goodbye HTFR account.
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:08 pm
by the wiggle baron
Anyone noticed the HTFR price has jacked up to £8.99?
Things were getting curiouser and curiouser...
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:04 am
by jellyman
whoami wrote:JELLYMAN COULD YOU PLEASE CHANGE THE TITLE OF THIS TO MENTION THE WHOLE SHITTY BOOTLEGNESS OF THESE VINYLS.
Seems people are buying without reading.
I'M THINKING MAYBE MR.JELLYMAN COULD BE WORKING WITH THAT SITE.
Haha will do, definitely not working for htfr, unless they operate in New Zealand haha
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:08 am
by jellyman
Ok i need some help here, anyone please instruct me how to change the name of this thread?
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 1:23 am
by gidman
i know i have bought a copy, wish i hadnt but didnt read the entire thread before buying, but sumthing really needs to be done to prevent shit like this in the future!! if they really are bootlegs, which seems the case, this is a huge black mark in dubstep n we need to do sumthing to prevent it from happening in future so people realise it will not be tolerated!!! i know we can boycott stores that operate like this but what else can be done?? p.s. slighlty drunk so apoligize if ranting
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 4:37 am
by formzee
HTFR is a strange place. My mate bought one of their 500 reocrds for 100quid packs when we were 15 and got about 10 of the same shite record. i think it was Cleopatra
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:00 am
by wobbler.
Arghhh this is fucking bollocks. Just spent over 10 quid for the vinyl + getting it shipped to New Zealand - only to find it's a bootleg. Surely we'll be entitled to a refund or something?
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:12 am
by godflesh fiend
The Wiggle Baron wrote:Anyone noticed the HTFR price has jacked up to £8.99?
Things were getting curiouser and curiouser...
Yeah just notice that!
What next??!!
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:25 am
by man-versus-sofa
anyone want to swap my original press (from dubplate.net not httf) for skull disco 002 or asbo1?
send me a message if ya interested