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Mr Hyde wrote:

Riddles wrote:Lol! http://london.craigslist.co.uk/mob/2536072357.html

haha, these people are such idiots- if the police have anything about them they'll be meeting that person by now!

you'd think they would at least leave it a week or so...

IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Mr Hyde wrote:IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Im not saying what they did was right but shots dont have to be fired for the police the shoot you.

JBoy wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Im not saying what they did was right but shots dont have to be fired for the police the shoot you.

being unarmed would make it a tiny bit bad though maybe dont you think?

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

JBoy wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Im not saying what they did was right but shots dont have to be fired for the police the shoot you.

being unarmed would make it a tiny bit bad though maybe dont you think?

police are c*nts they get away with far too much... they are a street gang themselves

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

JBoy wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Im not saying what they did was right but shots dont have to be fired for the police the shoot you.

being unarmed would make it a tiny bit bad though maybe dont you think?

So, did he have the gun on him/in his hand or not then?

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

JBoy wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Im not saying what they did was right but shots dont have to be fired for the police the shoot you.

being unarmed would make it a tiny bit bad though maybe dont you think?

i think he was saying reaching in your jacket making a motion to imply grabbing for what could be a weapon COULD warrant the action.

in our country (where guns are a bit more common on criminals) if you are put in the prone position or hands in the air and you make a motion like you are grabbing for a weapon odds are you'll get shot. Pretty standard for this to happen (suicide by cop) at the end of a standoff.

Obviously different country different expectations

JBoy wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Im not saying what they did was right but shots dont have to be fired for the police the shoot you.

No, but in quite a few cases now they have shot people doing thing like carrying table legs, or jumping barriers at tube stations....no-one seems to ever gets punished for it, after a certain point people get pissed off and loose faith in following the system for justice.


....not that any of that has anything to do with the reasons people are looting.

Only a few people complain when innocent people have their homes invaded and are shot dead by police. Only a few people complain when anarchists are criminalised for their beliefs, or when whistleblowers are kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day. Only a few people complain when police shoot a man dead in a tube station and LIE about the circumstances. But now everyone's precious property is at stake and they're all QQ about it. Figures.

pkay wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

JBoy wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Im not saying what they did was right but shots dont have to be fired for the police the shoot you.

being unarmed would make it a tiny bit bad though maybe dont you think?

i think he was saying reaching in your jacket making a motion to imply grabbing for what could be a weapon COULD warrant the action.

in our country (where guns are a bit more common on criminals) if you are put in the prone position or hands in the air and you make a motion like you are grabbing for a weapon odds are you'll get shot. Pretty standard for this to happen (suicide by cop) at the end of a standoff.

Obviously different country different expectations

Yeah I didn't think suicide by cop was as big of a thing down in the states ....then my roommates brother-in-law decided to go that route

From the Guardian

The results show:

• The bullet lodged in the police radio is a "jacketed round". This is a police issue bullet and, while it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from a Metropolitan police Heckler and Koch MP5 submachine gun.

• The firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM "Bruni" self-loading pistol. This is not a replica; the scientist considers it to be a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act and a prohibited weapon and is therefore illegal.

• The handgun was found to have a "bulleted cartridge" in the magazine, which is being subject to further tests.

• At this stage there is no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired during the incident. The FSS has told the IPCC that it may not be possible to say for certain; however further tests are being carried out in an attempt to establish this.

So he did have a converted firearm which he could have fired which also seems to have contained live ammo. So it either just arrived with the police and was planted there or he was armed - depends how conspiratorial you're feeling I guess

doobyus wrote:From the Guardian

The results show:

• The bullet lodged in the police radio is a "jacketed round". This is a police issue bullet and, while it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from a Metropolitan police Heckler and Koch MP5 submachine gun.

• The firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM "Bruni" self-loading pistol. This is not a replica; the scientist considers it to be a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act and a prohibited weapon and is therefore illegal.

• The handgun was found to have a "bulleted cartridge" in the magazine, which is being subject to further tests.

• At this stage there is no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired during the incident. The FSS has told the IPCC that it may not be possible to say for certain; however further tests are being carried out in an attempt to establish this.

So he did have a converted firearm which he could have fired which also seems to have contained live ammo. So it either just arrived with the police and was planted there or he was armed - depends how conspiratorial you're feeling I guess

illegals in the US who cant legally purchase firearms often times will convert firearms with starter guns/blank guns/etc.

They will kill you just as dead as any other gun.

kidshuffle wrote:

pkay wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

JBoy wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:IPCC just confirmed that Mark Dugan didn't fire any shots

Im not saying what they did was right but shots dont have to be fired for the police the shoot you.

being unarmed would make it a tiny bit bad though maybe dont you think?

i think he was saying reaching in your jacket making a motion to imply grabbing for what could be a weapon COULD warrant the action.

in our country (where guns are a bit more common on criminals) if you are put in the prone position or hands in the air and you make a motion like you are grabbing for a weapon odds are you'll get shot. Pretty standard for this to happen (suicide by cop) at the end of a standoff.

Obviously different country different expectations

Yeah I didn't think suicide by cop was as big of a thing down in the states ....then my roommates brother-in-law decided to go that route

yeah its massive. Ex-con doesnt want to go back to jail, standoff, exit, act like you have gun, get laced up. RIP.

Has to happen almost daily in the US somewhere. At least once a week in my area thats a common story

police are warning business on stokes croft that it's supposed to kick off massively again tonight. looking forward to that again...

doobyus wrote:From the Guardian

The results show:

• The bullet lodged in the police radio is a "jacketed round". This is a police issue bullet and, while it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from a Metropolitan police Heckler and Koch MP5 submachine gun.

• The firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM "Bruni" self-loading pistol. This is not a replica; the scientist considers it to be a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act and a prohibited weapon and is therefore illegal.

• The handgun was found to have a "bulleted cartridge" in the magazine, which is being subject to further tests.

• At this stage there is no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired during the incident. The FSS has told the IPCC that it may not be possible to say for certain; however further tests are being carried out in an attempt to establish this.

So he did have a converted firearm which he could have fired which also seems to have contained live ammo. So it either just arrived with the police and was planted there or he was armed - depends how conspiratorial you're feeling I guess

is that who i think it is?

doobyus wrote:
So he did have a converted firearm which he could have fired which also seems to have contained live ammo. So it either just arrived with the police and was planted there or he was armed - depends how conspiratorial you're feeling I guess

Doesn't matter. If you're on the police's side, he fired it, he's guilty, it was justified blah blah blah. If you're on the side of the rioters, police are wankers, fuck tha police, should never shoot blah blah blah.

Every source of news, everybody giving opinions, everybody on here, the IPCC, the rioters, politicians, all of them have an agenda and will pick and choose parts of the events to suit their vision.

garethom wrote:

doobyus wrote:
So he did have a converted firearm which he could have fired which also seems to have contained live ammo. So it either just arrived with the police and was planted there or he was armed - depends how conspiratorial you're feeling I guess

Doesn't matter. If you're on the police's side, he fired it, he's guilty, it was justified blah blah blah. If you're on the side of the rioters, police are wankers, fuck tha police, should never shoot blah blah blah.

Every source of news, everybody giving opinions, everybody on here, the IPCC, the rioters, politicians, all of them have an agenda and will pick and choose parts of the events to suit their vision.

at the end of the day they are all c*nts!

cosmic surgeon wrote:Only a few people complain when innocent people have their homes invaded and are shot dead by police. Only a few people complain when anarchists are criminalised for their beliefs, or when whistleblowers are kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day. Only a few people complain when police shoot a man dead in a tube station and LIE about the circumstances. But now everyone's precious property is at stake and they're all QQ about it. Figures.

im quoting this...

Quite possibly.

Best of luck in Stokes Croft btw, thought the Tesco's protest seemed to show some level of community self-policing. Is it people from the community starting trouble or outsiders coming in from elsewhere?

last one there was a very obvious group of non locals kicking off most of the trouble. last night not a lot happened other than some broken windows in tesco but will see tonight

Bit of a naive statement above if you ask me.

If that person had drawn his self-made gun on a police officer before being shot, don't you think that would have been issued as a statement by now, in fact wouldn't it have been made official immediately after the events expired? There were multiple police officers at the scene and the man was apparently confined to a vehicle...?
An MP5 is a sub machine gun people, it fires both semi-automatic and automatic and can empty a 30 round clip in a matter of seconds. If the guy had drawn a gun, it would have been made public by now. It could have prevented an initial riot if the shooting was warranted and the story could have been corroborated by several people... instead some copper sprayed an automatic sub machine gun about killing one person and almost killing his own colleague...the fact that a gun was found at the scene gave officers some time to fabricate some sort of story...it left options open....

I bet someone had an itchy trigger finger and reacted to the nervous person in the car who happened to be carrying a gun around to protect his wife and four children from the tugs who have been on the streets for the past few days. Let's face, Met Police's record isn't exactly clean is it? Wouldn't be the first time they fucked up!

That being said, it is very sad that all this is pretty irrelevant to the ensuing looting and rioting......