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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:12 pm
by amen-ra
Ok the bunnin experiment wont happen in some areas without u gettin a beating but the specific example is not important. Those that know themselves will know what the fuck I'm sayin

Maybe

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:15 pm
by amen-ra
Create your own realities. Fuck debates

You're already free

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:51 pm
by jim beats
thc wrote:
thc wrote:well there are some smoke-free clubs, why dont you go to those? maybe the ones you should be upset with are the DJs that choose to play at clubs that allow smoking.

and those employees dont have to work there just like customers dont have to go there.
once again i am ignored....
OK, just to please you :
1. smoking will still be allowed in most clubs. We're basically talking about pubs and restaurants here (the thread title is wrong).
2. I'm not aware of any smoke-free clubs in the UK.
3. why should the DJs be responsible for whether clubs allow smoking? It's true that they could force the clubs to turn smoke-free, but only if they all decided not to play until clubs turned smoke-free, and why should they do that?
4. if a club employee quits because they don't like the smoke, they'll have no income. Someone somewhere will not have the option to quit because they can't afford to - do you think it's acceptable that someone has to work in a smoky pub just because they can't afford to leave? Try saying the same thing about an unsafe mine. We're lucky enough in the UK to have moved on from slave labour; your argument would take us right back to slave labour...

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:53 pm
by jim beats
Amen-Ra wrote:Being free has nuttin to do with whether the government lets u smoke in some places and not in others- that's misunderstabnding the debate in stupid proportions
well quite

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:31 am
by minusdegree
the human condition strikes again...sigh

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:17 am
by thc
Jim Beats wrote:2. I'm not aware of any smoke-free clubs in the UK.
in your last post you said "most clubs" which implies not all. so which it is it? make up your mind.
Jim Beats wrote:3. why should the DJs be responsible for whether clubs allow smoking?
thats not what i am saying
Jim Beats wrote:and why should they do that?
cuz they're concerned about their fans health more so than money?
Jim Beats wrote:4. if a club employee quits because they don't like the smoke, they'll have no income. Someone somewhere will not have the option to quit because they can't afford to - do you think it's acceptable that someone has to work in a smoky pub just because they can't afford to leave?
well maybe they should have never gotten a job there in the first place. i dont think thats the ONLY job they could do.

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:20 am
by jim beats
thc wrote:
Jim Beats wrote:4. if a club employee quits because they don't like the smoke, they'll have no income. Someone somewhere will not have the option to quit because they can't afford to - do you think it's acceptable that someone has to work in a smoky pub just because they can't afford to leave?
well maybe they should have never gotten a job there in the first place. i dont think thats the ONLY job they could do.
That's not an argument. Go and find out why the trade union movement started, then come back with a better one.

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:00 pm
by paulie
Jim Beats wrote:smoking will still be allowed in most clubs. We're basically talking about pubs and restaurants here (the thread title is wrong).
No it won't.

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:16 pm
by j_j
FASCISM FASCISM FASCISM !!!how can it not be ??if i said ok i hate dubstep im banning it from all clubs n bars isnt that a pretty fascistic move?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:32 pm
by paulie
Yes but dubstep doesn't kill people.

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:33 pm
by peripheral
J_J wrote:FASCISM FASCISM FASCISM !!!how can it not be ??if i said ok i hate dubstep im banning it from all clubs n bars isnt that a pretty fascistic move?
nah that'd just be a bit stupid. unless anyone had conclusive evidence of the harmful effects of passive dubstep. see above for the harmful effects of pop-history and blinkers...

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:36 pm
by paulie
Honestly the civil liberties argument in favour of smoking is the biggest crock of shit i've ever heard.

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:39 pm
by j_j
peripheral wrote:
J_J wrote:FASCISM FASCISM FASCISM !!!how can it not be ??if i said ok i hate dubstep im banning it from all clubs n bars isnt that a pretty fascistic move?
nah that'd just be a bit stupid. unless anyone had conclusive evidence of the harmful effects of passive dubstep. see above for the harmful effects of pop-history and blinkers...
we can clearly see here on the forum the damage done by what u call 'passive' dubstep .i vote ur out of parliament ..

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:42 pm
by deapoh
ahahhah ROFL hahahha joker big up J_J!

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:42 pm
by jim beats
Paulie wrote:
Jim Beats wrote:smoking will still be allowed in most clubs. We're basically talking about pubs and restaurants here (the thread title is wrong).
No it won't.
I was under the impression there was a loophole that meant most clubs would be able to allow smoking... But maybe not. I certainly won't be complaining.... :D

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:44 pm
by j_j
Jim Beats wrote:
Paulie wrote:
Jim Beats wrote:smoking will still be allowed in most clubs. We're basically talking about pubs and restaurants here (the thread title is wrong).
No it won't.
I was under the impression there was a loophole that meant most clubs would be able to allow smoking... But maybe not. I certainly won't be complaining.... :D
ur not even on britain though..dissaffected?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:50 pm
by paulie
Jim Beats wrote:
Paulie wrote:
Jim Beats wrote:smoking will still be allowed in most clubs. We're basically talking about pubs and restaurants here (the thread title is wrong).
No it won't.
I was under the impression there was a loophole that meant most clubs would be able to allow smoking... But maybe not. I certainly won't be complaining.... :D
I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:10 pm
by peripheral
Paulie wrote:Honestly the civil liberties argument in favour of smoking is the biggest crock of shit i've ever heard.
truss...

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:11 pm
by peripheral
J_J wrote:
peripheral wrote:
J_J wrote:FASCISM FASCISM FASCISM !!!how can it not be ??if i said ok i hate dubstep im banning it from all clubs n bars isnt that a pretty fascistic move?
nah that'd just be a bit stupid. unless anyone had conclusive evidence of the harmful effects of passive dubstep. see above for the harmful effects of pop-history and blinkers...
we can clearly see here on the forum the damage done by what u call 'passive' dubstep .i vote ur out of parliament ..
something about a point and missing. space bw ur ears mate. and who sez you have 2 b in england to have a point of view?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:23 pm
by thc
Jim Beats wrote:
thc wrote:
Jim Beats wrote:4. if a club employee quits because they don't like the smoke, they'll have no income. Someone somewhere will not have the option to quit because they can't afford to - do you think it's acceptable that someone has to work in a smoky pub just because they can't afford to leave?
well maybe they should have never gotten a job there in the first place. i dont think thats the ONLY job they could do.
That's not an argument. Go and find out why the trade union movement started, then come back with a better one.
well i'm really a big fan of unions either. I dont think employees should be able to force their employers to change such insignifcant things. You need to come up with something better than "That's not an argument."
and what about everything else I said? You got nothing to say to that?