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Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:04 am
by craigjames
DARK_PuRpL3 wrote:Piracy is a very touchy issue in general however, people need to realize the amount of upsides to it.
As far as software goes, I would gladly pay for software synths and DAW's if they weren't ridiculously expensive. I mean, without getting to into it, by the rules of supply and demand... software should be worth next to nothing considering the supply is infinite. Anyway, if synths were like $40 and DAW's were like maybe $150 (sorry guys, I'm from US and don't know euro conversions) I would definitely pay for it, no problem. However, DAW's are like $600 for the exclusive producer has everything you need (only not really) versions and the good synths go for like $200 a piece. I'm sorry but as an independent artist, with no label, who isn't making any money off their work, and just wants to make music for creative purposes and fun, I find it a little ridiculous that I should have to pay close to $1000 to get started and do what I love.
If it makes ya feel any better the average guitar player spends at least $2000 for a quality guitar and amp, not to mention any pedals/effects. So ur getting a pretty good bargain to make great sounding music. I play guitar in a band, dj, and produce and I have worked my butt off and saved up to buy my gear. Doing awesome shit is usually expensive.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:21 am
by nowaysj
Sharmaji wrote:Things that are bought and sold-- everything from food to vegetables to stocks & futures-- have value to the person purchasing it.
Yeah but why must things we value be bought and sold? The exchange of capital for value is an artificial construct. It can be argued that the mere exchange of capital for value destroys the value itself. I value my daughter above all else, I did not buy her, nor will I sell her.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:16 am
by buttock
in an industrial society where one individual can't produce everything he need by himself, there will be some rules to exchange goods (things we value). Surely buying/selling by means of money is a somehow arificial way to compare and exchange values, but a pretty effective one. Further reading: marx and stuff...
on topic: I don't want to work 8hrs a day, without getting paid an neiter do these guys at Native Instruments, Steinberg, and so on....
After the revolution however, things will be better
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:46 am
by nowaysj
Doubt anyone at steiny is working even 8 hours a day. Ni, sure, prolly working well over that
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:59 am
by narwhall
I think File sharing (NOT piracy the word piracy demonizes It) Is actually good its a good way to spread your music and I File-share a lot of music BECAUSE I am poor and cannot afford almost any recreational activitys, and usually if I really like it I buy it but I think artist should focus on Live events more because thats where most of the money is.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:28 am
by Turnipish_Thoughts
narwhall wrote:I think File sharing (NOT piracy the word piracy demonizes It) Is actually good its a good way to spread your music and I File-share a lot of music BECAUSE I am poor and cannot afford almost any recreational activitys, and usually if I really like it I buy it but I think artist should focus on Live events more because thats where most of the money is.
So this guy
signs up to bump an
11 month old thread about piracy and leaves a 3 line reply.
How, whe....
what?? 
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:04 am
by jrisreal
HA!!!
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:19 am
by RandoRando
its people like narwhall that make me believe in aliens.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:22 am
by wub
narwhall wrote:I think File sharing (NOT piracy the word piracy demonizes It) Is actually good its a good way to spread your music and I File-share a lot of music BECAUSE I am poor and cannot afford almost any recreational activitys, and usually if I really like it I buy it but I think artist should focus on Live events more because thats where most of the money is.
I can't afford a Porsche. Doesn't mean I should go rob one until I've got the money.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:22 am
by AllNightDayDream
wub wrote:narwhall wrote:I think File sharing (NOT piracy the word piracy demonizes It) Is actually good its a good way to spread your music and I File-share a lot of music BECAUSE I am poor and cannot afford almost any recreational activitys, and usually if I really like it I buy it but I think artist should focus on Live events more because thats where most of the money is.
I can't afford a Porsche. Doesn't mean I should go rob one until I've got the money.
Except file sharing isn't robbery
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:23 am
by wub
AllNightDayDream wrote:wub wrote:narwhall wrote:I think File sharing (NOT piracy the word piracy demonizes It) Is actually good its a good way to spread your music and I File-share a lot of music BECAUSE I am poor and cannot afford almost any recreational activitys, and usually if I really like it I buy it but I think artist should focus on Live events more because thats where most of the money is.
I can't afford a Porsche. Doesn't mean I should go rob one until I've got the money.
Except file sharing isn't robbery
By denying revenue and taking something free of charge, you are stealing.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:25 am
by AllNightDayDream
You aren't taking anything, and its only robbing of revenue as someone staring at a painting is robbing revenue.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:28 am
by wub
AllNightDayDream wrote:You aren't taking anything, and its only robbing of revenue as someone staring at a painting is robbing revenue.
Faulty logic - looking at a painting is the equivalent of hearing a track on the radio (which in itself is not piracy, obviously).
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:35 am
by AllNightDayDream
Looking at a painting is the same as hearing a track, regardless where it is. Are you robbing that photographer of revenue for using that hunter s Thompson photo free of charge? I'm sure he paid good money for that camera.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:37 am
by wub
AllNightDayDream wrote:Looking at a painting is the same as hearing a track, regardless where it is. Are you robbing that photographer of revenue for using that hunter s Thompson photo free of charge? I'm sure he paid good money for that camera.
There is a difference between listening to a track and making an illegal copy of it to avoid paying for it.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:46 am
by AllNightDayDream
You can listen to Most tracks as many times as you like without actually possessing it in this day and age. You copy it to listen to it, you stream it to listen to it, ultimately the utility is the same. It isn't theft, in neither a legal or philosophical sense. If free usage of art is robbery, and the utility of art a commodity, then everyone is a criminal, and the artists we love especially in this place are the worst pillagers.
Your line of logic is both flawed and outdated, not to mention counter to the ideas responsible for non pop art.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:49 am
by wub
Illegally downloading music that you didn't pay for is stealing. Listening to a track on the radio is not stealing. Not really sure why you're having trouble getting your head round this.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:54 am
by AllNightDayDream
There is absolutely no way you can construe file sharing as theft, under any definition. If its so easy to grasp then the logic should be more than easy to express.
I'm not even arguing the actual effects of filesharing, but to characterize it as theft is false and misrepresents what is actually happening To the industry.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:55 am
by wub
AllNightDayDream wrote:There is absolutely no way you can construe fule sharing as theft, under any definition.
Not paying for something that is for sale = theft.
Re: Piracy and its effects
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:58 am
by AllNightDayDream
wub wrote:AllNightDayDream wrote:There is absolutely no way you can construe fule sharing as theft, under any definition.
Not paying for something that is for sale = theft.
So you stole that photo in your avatar? Just trying to follow your logic here